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<blockquote data-quote="Pudge" data-source="post: 29823" data-attributes="member: 358"><p>Well first off, the stat should be interesting because Favre is known for his 4th quarter comebacks, which should indicate that the Packers are able to win the close games late. That seems to be the opposite case. If you go back through 2002, and his first season as a starter, Vick posted a 4-4-1 record in similar situations, making his win % in close games 76.1%.</p><p></p><p>Sure, Favre has won 1 Super Bowl. If it takes winning 1 SUper Bowl so that Vick can get mentioned in the same breath as of some of the "greats" like Mark Rypien, Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, and Brad Johnson, then I'm not too worried about Vick's chances.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So that stat indicates that Favre is more durable than Vick. No arguments there. Favre ranks as one of the greats for his durability. Vick has started 43 games thus far in his career, and has a better winning percentage than Favre did in his first 43 stats (71% vs. 56%). Vick has a better career winning percentage than Favre as well. (71% vs. 64%)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I'll get back to you on Sunday, once we destroy your team.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So I take it Cheez, that having 30 TDs and 4000 yards is okay if the team is 3-13?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I could probably make a similar argument for Vick, but I'm not going to. The overwhelming majority of Favre and Vick's interceptions are their own fault.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think you'll find anyone stupid enough in the world to argue that VIck is anywhere in Favre's league as a pocket passer, or that Vick is even in the Top 10 QBs in the league in that area. And you probably argue that Vick is among the worst passing QBs among starters in the league. All I'm saying is that if the measure of a QB is doing whatever is necessary to win football games, then Michael Vick has surpassed Brett Favre already in his career. In this case, the stats don't lie. If he's in a game in the closing minutes, rain or shine whether he's thrown 3 INTs, rushed for 3 TDs, or is completing just 40% of his passes, the Falcons win 76% of the time (93% of the time recently). Favre may have been that successful in the past, but he is not there anymore.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Packer fans are in serious denial if they still believe Favre alone is going to lead them to the promised land. I realize that your team doesn't have anywhere close to the same amount of weapons and tools as its had in past years, but what I heard from Packer fans all off-season long, is "at least we still have Favre." So Favre is putting up some gaudy numbers, but it's not helping the team win, even in the close games. The mojo is gone, and the best thing your team can hope for is that Aaron Rodgers or another QB can quickly turn things around. THe sooner you get over your love affair with Brett Favre, the better it is for the organization in the long run. But I would not expect Packer fans to accept this. I mean it is Brett Favre, the guy that led your team to its first playoff win in 20 years and Super Bowl win in 30.</p><p></p><p>So Packer fans, keep believing that Favre is good enough to win you guys another Super Bowl. You're hurting no one but yourselves with that belief.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pudge, post: 29823, member: 358"] Well first off, the stat should be interesting because Favre is known for his 4th quarter comebacks, which should indicate that the Packers are able to win the close games late. That seems to be the opposite case. If you go back through 2002, and his first season as a starter, Vick posted a 4-4-1 record in similar situations, making his win % in close games 76.1%. Sure, Favre has won 1 Super Bowl. If it takes winning 1 SUper Bowl so that Vick can get mentioned in the same breath as of some of the "greats" like Mark Rypien, Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, and Brad Johnson, then I'm not too worried about Vick's chances. So that stat indicates that Favre is more durable than Vick. No arguments there. Favre ranks as one of the greats for his durability. Vick has started 43 games thus far in his career, and has a better winning percentage than Favre did in his first 43 stats (71% vs. 56%). Vick has a better career winning percentage than Favre as well. (71% vs. 64%) And I'll get back to you on Sunday, once we destroy your team. So I take it Cheez, that having 30 TDs and 4000 yards is okay if the team is 3-13? I could probably make a similar argument for Vick, but I'm not going to. The overwhelming majority of Favre and Vick's interceptions are their own fault. I don't think you'll find anyone stupid enough in the world to argue that VIck is anywhere in Favre's league as a pocket passer, or that Vick is even in the Top 10 QBs in the league in that area. And you probably argue that Vick is among the worst passing QBs among starters in the league. All I'm saying is that if the measure of a QB is doing whatever is necessary to win football games, then Michael Vick has surpassed Brett Favre already in his career. In this case, the stats don't lie. If he's in a game in the closing minutes, rain or shine whether he's thrown 3 INTs, rushed for 3 TDs, or is completing just 40% of his passes, the Falcons win 76% of the time (93% of the time recently). Favre may have been that successful in the past, but he is not there anymore. Packer fans are in serious denial if they still believe Favre alone is going to lead them to the promised land. I realize that your team doesn't have anywhere close to the same amount of weapons and tools as its had in past years, but what I heard from Packer fans all off-season long, is "at least we still have Favre." So Favre is putting up some gaudy numbers, but it's not helping the team win, even in the close games. The mojo is gone, and the best thing your team can hope for is that Aaron Rodgers or another QB can quickly turn things around. THe sooner you get over your love affair with Brett Favre, the better it is for the organization in the long run. But I would not expect Packer fans to accept this. I mean it is Brett Favre, the guy that led your team to its first playoff win in 20 years and Super Bowl win in 30. So Packer fans, keep believing that Favre is good enough to win you guys another Super Bowl. You're hurting no one but yourselves with that belief. [/QUOTE]
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