Everyone chill out.

[ivo610]

Vick can get hurt in an instant and then they are totally screwed. VY is garbage IMO so unless the gunslinger is 3rd string they don't scare me one bit.

The first game we played against vick he nearly beat us. We barely got out of that one. Vick is the most dangerous QB in the league.

I dont think VY is great but the guy wins.

A 42 yr old Favre would be the least scary of all of them imo

 

[SpartaChris]

Correct, peter king picked us.

No one is picking the eagles for what they have been building, they are picking them because they are spending like dan synder in free agency.

More often then not the pick of the team that has been building slowly is right. I cant remember the last time a big splash in FA paid off in the first year.

Julius Peppers worked out pretty well for Chicago...

All in all you're right. Most times signing a bunch of names and building an all-star team gets you nowhere. There's no guarantee the big name vets you sign will fit the system. Could wind up with more issues than you started with.

 

[7thFloorRA]

I can't wait to see how Barber works in Martz's system.

 

[JoshuaRHuffman]

I can't wait to see how Barber works in Martz's system.

Marshall Faulk? LOL

 

[ivo610]

Julius Peppers worked out pretty well for Chicago...

All in all you're right. Most times signing a bunch of names and building an all-star team gets you nowhere. There's no guarantee the big name vets you sign will fit the system. Could wind up with more issues than you started with.

Up until he ran into Chad Clifton

 

[DevilDon]

If you can steal a FA and he's a "good fit" for your brand of football FA can be a good tool for finding a missing link for a title run. Chicago got Peppers, Green bay got White and Woodson. But those are rare. So many teams make so many FA picks they lose sight of who they are.
It seems Philly is going to stack up with names to put them at the top of early season power rankings. Which is great if that gives you a good feeling. The Packers seem methodical, steadfast and accurate in every single transaction. I'll never be a guy who says "ITWT" but I do have a certain level of confidence with those guys.
The Packers overcame huge injury problems and even penalty problems early. They made it work and were champions. I'd be stunned if they have to travel that difficult of a road this year.
If you break it down player by player and their replacements, it's not scary at all. NFC champs is my official prediction. I don't spend anytime analyzing the AFC so I'm not predicting, but I"d love to see a Pittsburgh face off again.

 

[PFanCan]

I haven't seen any any panic on this board.

First, I saw several folks expressing hope that Jenkins price tag would fall far enough for TT to make a move and retain his services for one more year.

Then, when it was determined that Jenkins signed for only as little as $4M for one year, I (along with a couple others) expressed disappointment. He was one of my favorite players-- always played hard, no attitude issues, seemed to make big plays when needed. Sad to see him go and I am surprised that the Packers did not think he would be worth $4M this season.

And, watching the Eagles bring all these big names together is certainly concerning. We all know it is a huge gamble that rarely pays off, if ever, and there is likely no need to plan or adjust for it at this point. But to completely ignore the possibilities just because we should "trust in Ted" seems silly.

I acknowledge that TT is smarter on these issues than all of us, especially me. I definitely trust in him.

But, I don't have any issues with folks posting their questions and concerns, having good debate, and soliciting ideas of WHY Ted let Jenkins go at this price, especially to a team that we could very well meet in the playoffs and is going "all in" this year.

So, I respectfully disagree with Ivo. Don't chill, anyone. Don't panic either as we are in good hands-- but, if something is concerning you... air it out.

 

[Wood Chipper]

In TT I trust

 

[Kitten]

In TT I trust

Let that be our mantra. That's what it comes down to. Having an owner and GM who knows what they are doing and are capable of developing and producing teams that are capable of remaining competitive for years. I look at the fact that the Packers have been relatively quiet in making off season trades and moves as a good sign. It's a sign that maybe TT feels we don't need to. The Eagles as well as other teams (i.e. Pats) are making these moves because they have to do something. They are trying to put themselves in a position where they can compete with us. The Packers are primo. I firmly believe we already have a team that can compete for another SB. Everyone else is just trying to catch up.

 

[longtimefan]

Every year Ted is in charge we will have the same discussion..

1st people said Ted wasnt going after anyone, cuz it would force Brett to retire..Guess what?

He doesnt do it to make someone quit, he does it cuz he doesnt like to use it.

So not sure why everyone is suprised

 

[ivo610]

Don't count on this group of Packers being complacent - NFL - CBSSports.com Football

 

[ivo610]

Every year Ted is in charge we will have the same discussion..

1st people said Ted wasnt going after anyone, cuz it would force Brett to retire..Guess what?

He doesnt do it to make someone quit, he does it cuz he doesnt like to use it.

So not sure why everyone is suprised

The first year it was him not resigning people like Rivera and then drafted Rodgers, when people felt you should use that 1st round pick on someone to help brett. Thank god he didnt.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Now its the eagles that are the paper champions. The bottom line is Michael Vick can't beat you with his arm. I dont consider any bengal players to be upgrades. What concerns me the most about the eagles is Casey Matthews. If he turns out to be anything like his older brother, everyone in the nfc will be wishing they had seen the writing on that wall. I havent seen enough of Rodgers Cromartie or Nnamdi to make a judgement, and i do know that Asante Samuel is overrated. It is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[slaughter25]

Thanks ivo for taking me down a notch... dont know if i was quite panicking but i was starting to feel the crack down of every other team striving to get better in the flurry of free agency that has been going on this year; and seeing the pack do nothing was slightly unnerving..... but we have a boatload of talent coming off the IR (consider those guys our FA splash this year) thanks everyone and GOPACKGO!

 

[ivo610]

Now its the eagles that are the paper champions. The bottom line is Michael Vick can't beat you with his arm. I dont consider any bengal players to be upgrades. What concerns me the most about the eagles is Casey Matthews. If he turns out to be anything like his older brother, everyone in the nfc will be wishing they had seen the writing on that wall. I havent seen enough of Rodgers Cromartie or Nnamdi to make a judgement, and i do know that Asante Samuel is overrated. It is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

your worried about a 4th round rookie who just started leaning the defense this week? seriously?

 

[TJV]

As long as I’ve participated on sports forums I’ve seen the admonition after someone posted a criticism of a team that the guy in charge was/is a professional and knows better than the rest of us. In the vast majority of instances that’s true but we have also seen franchises run poorly for decades at a time by “professionals”. Matt Milan provides a recent and extreme example. And even GMs at the top of their game make mistakes since we’re all human.

Obviously Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy know much more about their jobs than any of us do and “Trust in Ted” makes all kind of sense since we’ve just seen the Packers achieve the ultimate goal by adhering to his plan. But I would caution my fellow Packers fans against the notion that just because the Packers do something, it must be right. In all cases, what they decide should be given respect (I can’t tell you how happy I am that their/our success has all but ended Packers fans’ name-calling of Thompson and McCarthy) but I offer this caution for two reasons: First, as I said they do make mistakes. Remember it was Thompson, McCarthy and his staff that determined Allen Barbre was well-suited to start at RT in the NFL. I submit that was a substantial and obvious mistake. I also considered sticking with Breno Giacomini for as long as they did another, less important mistake. From the limited snaps I saw I thought it was apparent Breno just doesn’t have the feet to pass block at tackle in the NFL. If you don't agree those were mistakes, I’ll bet most of you can think of other mistakes. Second, and just as important IMO is if all we do here is congratulate Thompson and company on everything they do, or if every discussion is ended with something like, ‘they did it therefore it must be right’, this will be a very boring “discussion” forum.

We can have respect for Thompson, McCarthy, and each other and at the same time offer criticisms of what goes on at 1265 Lombardi Avenue. So I would say if you are panicked about the Packers lack of activity in free agency, express it. As long as your opinion is genuine and yields to, or incorporates facts when presented, have at it!

 

[PackersRS]

As long as I’ve participated on sports forums I’ve seen the admonition after someone posted a criticism of a team that the guy in charge was/is a professional and knows better than the rest of us. In the vast majority of instances that’s true but we have also seen franchises run poorly for decades at a time by “professionals”. Matt Milan provides a recent and extreme example. And even GMs at the top of their game make mistakes since we’re all human.

Obviously Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy know much more about their jobs than any of us do and “Trust in Ted” makes all kind of sense since we’ve just seen the Packers achieve the ultimate goal by adhering to his plan. But I would caution my fellow Packers fans against the notion that just because the Packers do something, it must be right. In all cases, what they decide should be given respect (I can’t tell you how happy I am that their/our success has all but ended Packers fans’ name-calling of Thompson and McCarthy) but I offer this caution for two reasons: First, as I said they do make mistakes. Remember it was Thompson, McCarthy and his staff that determined Allen Barbre was well-suited to start at RT in the NFL. I submit that was a substantial and obvious mistake. I also considered sticking with Breno Giacomini for as long as they did another, less important mistake. From the limited snaps I saw I thought it was apparent Breno just doesn’t have the feet to pass block at tackle in the NFL. If you don't agree those were mistakes, I’ll bet most of you can think of other mistakes. Second, and just as important IMO is if all we do here is congratulate Thompson and company on everything they do, or if every discussion is ended with something like, ‘they did it therefore it must be right’, this will be a very boring “discussion” forum.

We can have respect for Thompson, McCarthy, and each other and at the same time offer criticisms of what goes on at 1265 Lombardi Avenue. So I would say if you are panicked about the Packers lack of activity in free agency, express it. As long as your opinion is genuine and yields to, or incorporates facts when presented, have at it!

I fully understand your point, and you don't have to go long to find posts I made complaining about TT's moves.

Thing is, it's not just that we've won the SB, with TT making right moves. It's that the VAST MAJORITY of his moves, even some realy perplexing ones, end up being the right ones.

Because it's all about the system. I understand people questioning some moves, as I have. But to question the system of building from within, through the draft, at this point is not very smart.

It's a proven system, that is clear by now. So, some moves, say letting Jenkins go and letting Neal play, may not pan out this year. But close to 80% of what TT does this offseason will pan out, and the somatory of the good will far outweight any bad move. And even some supposed bad move has a clear motive, specially regarding not keeping expensive FAs. There are alot of young players in this roster that are set to be FAs and aren't being paid, who will have to be dealt with in the future.

And this is where TT is ahead of 99% of the fans. He doesn't think solely of this season. He's already projecting 1, 2 seasons from now. And he has backup plans for everything he does. Giacomini and Barbre were big mistakes, but TT knew in 09 what was Tauscher's projected recovery period. He did gamble with letting him be a FA, but he knew that, if by (correct me if I'm wrong) October Barbre hadn't gotten the job done, Tauscher would be recovered and ready to take his place.

 

[ivo610]

the best player Ted ever let walk was longwell, and I dont know hear many complaining about that.

 

[PackersRS]

the best player Ted ever let walk was longwell, and I dont know hear many complaining about that.

Rivera made pro bowls after leaving. But yeah, that sums it up nicely.

 

[ivo610]

Rivera made pro bowls after leaving. But yeah, that sums it up nicely.

He did?

Marco Rivera NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[PackersRS]

He did?

Marco Rivera NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Sorry, meant Wahle. Still, Rivera played well for the Cowboys. And was missed in GB, with the OL struggling, particularly the LG spot. Wahle on the LG spot, I mean, but even in Rivera's case, Sitton only started playing in 09. By then it was Spitz, and the interior of the OL was a mess.

 

[AllouezPackerFan]

Yes....our system of building through the draft is definitely a proven success. The way that TT projects years down the road is clearly genius. Not just with us, but with other times this method of managing a franchise is a proven way to win. Last year the Packers and the Steelers had more players on their 53 man roster that they drafted than any other teams in the league. Its no wonder we both ended up in the Super Bowl. Ted has made a few mistakes.....but PackersRS is without a doubt correct.....almost everything TT does turns out to be a huge success.

 

[lambeaulambo]

your worried about a 4th round rookie who just started leaning the defense this week? seriously?



did you WATCH Casey play at Oregon? He will most likely be a pass rush specialist....and to be honest with you. yep - he could be his brother and from what Ive seen, could reak havoc on passing downs for teams, and probably WILL contribute greatly to the Eagles D. Just sayin.

 

[ivo610]

your worried about a 4th round rookie who just started leaning the defense this week? seriously?



did you WATCH Casey play at Oregon? He will most likely be a pass rush specialist....and to be honest with you. yep - he could be his brother and from what Ive seen, could reak havoc on passing downs for teams, and probably WILL contribute greatly to the Eagles D. Just sayin.

Yes, I also watched Vince Young play the best college game I have ever seen. Just sayin.

 

[GBPack2010]

$ will never buy chemistry, only time can. We're still #1 next season until we're outta the playoffs.