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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raptorman" data-source="post: 432649" data-attributes="member: 655">Which one of those won the Super bowl this year?  Oh yeah....Last year the Packers had a defense that certainly made a difference during the playoffs.   And Brady, well he won his last Super bowl, what, 6 years ago. And his defense's since then?  Nothing.    Brady, since he became the starter he has played in 17 playoff games not including the Super Bowls.  Of those he has played 5 on the road and is 3-2 in those games.  Note that Manning has won more on the road in two years of playoffs on the road.   But he's not considered elite.   I am curious. Just what does a QB need to do be considered elite?</blockquote>

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