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Draft grades? Stupid, or just good reading?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by longtimefan, May 1, 2011.

  1. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    A Reminder About Draft Grades | Cheesehead TV


     
  2. GWheels

    GWheels Cheesehead

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    You can't truly grade a draft until 2 or 3 years after.
     
  3. Bensalama21

    Bensalama21 Ben

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    Draft grades don't truly reflect on how good those players will become, but a lot of ESPN draft grades have been accurate. For example, the Packers got a A rating for the 2006 draft where we got A.J. Hawk, Will Blackmon, Greg Jennings, Daryn College, Jason Spitz, and Johnny Jolly. (granted though that 2 or 3 players that ESPN thought would be good ended up being busts)
     
  4. DevilDon

    DevilDon Inclement Weather Fan

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    I absolutely love them. If you are a draft guy you like to see what others say. I remember everyone last year saying Neal was a reach. Hey, he might be, but he might also be a monster.
    It's just fun to read because there's so much of it and there isn't alot of NFL news right now. Do I believe what they say? Nope, I trust Ted.
     
  5. SpartaChris

    SpartaChris Cheesehead

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    Stupid. The only and right answer is stupid. They are absolutely useless. It is impossible to grade a draft until you get a chance to see those players play at least three seasons, which is why grading a draft right after the fact is complete nonsense.

    I understand some fans like it, which is why they're done. Fans like hearing what they want to hear- That some talking head who couldn't find work on an AFL scout team thinks their team did right in the draft. But putting any stock in them whatsoever is completely and utterly useless.
     
  6. PackMan13x

    PackMan13x Cheesehead

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    Good reading. It's a general idea from "experts", and also fun to look back at how wrong/right they are in a couple years.
     
  7. Jess

    Jess Movement!

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    They're stupid and useless, but also good reading, if that makes sense.
     
  8. SpartaChris

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    My disdain for them comes from this: There is simply no way any of the talking heads could have seen enough film on the 254 NFL Draftees to speak intelligently on them. How can they assign a draft grade for players they've never seen?

    I get that it's entertaining for some to debate and discuss the possibilities, which is fine. But assigning grades before these kids get a chance to play just seems moronic to me.
     
  9. Future

    Future He did WHAT?

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    It's fun reading. Of course you can't truly evaluate a draft until after the 3rd year of these players' careers but I think you can rank how well the teams did value-wise a little bit. And like cheesehead1285 said, it's fun to look back and see how right/wrong these guys were.

    Guys on ESPN, Foxsports, CBSSports and others write this stuff because there's a demand for it.
     
  10. Wood Chipper

    Wood Chipper Fantasy Football Guru

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    I find it a good read but I take what they say with a grain of salt. Nobody really knows who will be good. But I think you can grade at how well a team filled the needs with their draft picks.
     
  11. Guacamole

    Guacamole Cheesehead

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    They is Mel Kiper Jr
     
  12. GBPack2010

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    They're pretty interesting to read. Most of them are fairly accurate in the early rounds. It really is impossible to rate a middle round player since they can be good or a waste of a pick.
     
  13. FrankRizzo

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    I've read thru a lot of stuff since this draft ended, and I've heard numerous people mention LAWRENCE GUY as being one of the guys who made the worst decision to turn pro as a junior. This from national people, not Packer fans.

    Three different people said he'd possibly have been a 2nd round pick had he come back for his senior year at Arizona State.

    If that's true, than we got ourselves a steal in the 7th round. I had this guy to us in a mock, along with Randall Cobb. I'm happy as heck to get them both!

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  14. VersusTheMoose

    VersusTheMoose Canadian Packer Fan

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    They are basically just for fun at the point. No one knows anything until a year or two out.
     
  15. AmishMafia

    AmishMafia Cheesehead

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    Of course we don't know for sure how these players will do. But if it was all to chance, why would NFL teams spend a penny on scouts? Why not just throw a dart at the wall?

    Why do any of these commentators say anything about the picks or do mock drafts or have a big board? Carrying it farther, why discuss who is the best team in the NFL, why not just wait till after the Superbowl to determine it?
     
  16. SpartaChris

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    I avoid power rankings precisely for that reason..
     
  17. Helmets

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    The success of the draft depends on how the players are coached in the NFL and in which situation they land. For example how would Rodgers have done had he been thrown out there to start his first season like some of the quarterback busts. How would Harrington or Russell have done had they had 3-4 years to learn the system and were brought along slowly.
     
  18. neilfii

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    I think they are stupid, but then so are many of the "Far Side" cartoons, and I think they are hilarious and would not consider giving up reading them.
     
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  19. Green_Bay_Packers

    Green_Bay_Packers Cheesehead

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    Did we draft 3 Randall Cobb's?
     
  20. Cheesehead Brittany

    Cheesehead Brittany Cheesehead

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    We need more Mason Crosbys
     
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  21. PackersRS

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    Regarding the thread topic:

    Draft grades are good reading, as long as you know that they're stupid.
     
  22. cheesehurdler

    cheesehurdler Cheesehead

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    No, we drafted one, and cloned him twice.

    What? Didn't you hear of the Packers' heavy-duty cloning machine in their top-secret laboratory located underground below Lambeau Field? It's located near the 13E9RS-5UC12 Perfect QB robot prototype codenamed "RODGERS" and the Viking-Suck Regulator that keeps the Vikings from winning the Super Bowl when it was built in 1967.

    And about the grades, well, I enjoy reading their analysis and their grades, but I always take it with a grain of salt. I remember them saying what a great pick Brian Brohm was.
     

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