Do you believe that Las Vegas controls the outcome of some NFL games?

[CashInFist]

I see it every single year. Controversial calls/plays/situations all the time, usually on the most crucial game changing plays. The one against us playing the Cardinals in the playoffs was the determining factor for my own personal evaluations, for decades, that Las Vegas does indeed control the outcomes of every major sport, when they NEED to. For their bottom line. Does anybody else feel this way? Do I need a tin foil hat, or am I right?

What do you all think?

After Aaron Rodgers made the Greatest Throw in NFL History (IMO), the coin didn't flip. NEVER seen that one before Las Vegas. Very creative, seriously.

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IMO, Aaron Rodgers was never going to touch the football again after this throw, no matter what. I think AR12 scared Las Vegas right here:

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[Carl]

So how did Vegas control the second coin flip the Packers also lost?

Plus, the official didn't even have to do the second flip.

 

[PackerDNA]

Old CIA saying; "How well a secret is kept is in direct proportion to how many people are in on it".
People like to talk. Even one or two people in on a one time incident of this kind- and it would likely take more than that- wouldn't be able to pull it off. Think the league would kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, a goose that generates billions of dollars every year, to rig one or two games? Even the people running the NFL aren't that stupid.

 

[Half Empty]

Vegas wins, no matter what.

 

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[Sky King]

Vegas wins, no matter what.

Exactly. The odds are set to keep the sports book bets as evenly down the middle as possible, then the house takes their cut. They have no need to try to manipulate the outcomes of a few games in order to profit big. Between the tables, tight machines, high-priced meals, two bottles of beer for $20+ dollars (at a major strip casino sports book), paid parking (latest practice) and exorbitant room rates the corporate casinos have plenty of income flowing their way. Even the mob was not that greedy. Risk all that (greater aggregate profit) to rig a few paltry games each week? Not a chance.

 

[CashInFist]

For all of those that disagree, how do you explain why refs in every major sport get caught cheating? Why does that happen?

 

[CashInFist]

So how did Vegas control the second coin flip the Packers also lost?

Plus, the official didn't even have to do the second flip.

You just proved my point. Aaron Rodgers was never going to touch the football again after his last throw.

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

For all of those that disagree, how do you explain why refs in every major sport get caught cheating? Why does that happen?

It's easier for a single person, i.e. ref, coach or player, to cheat than an entire industry to influence outcomes of games. The idea of Vegas controlling outcomes of games is ludicrous. Vegas wins on sports gambling every time. If the industry was exposed as dishonest and corrupt, people would stop betting and Vegas would lose hundreds of millions of dollars of income every year. Vegas doesn't have to cheat.

Regarding your second question, refs cheat for money. Players shave points for money.

 

[NelsonsLongCatch]

You just proved my point. Aaron Rodgers was never going to touch the football again after his last throw.

Did Vegas somehow know Demarious Randall was going to blow his coverage on Larry Fitzgerald? If the Packers don't blow their assignments, the Cardinals go 3-and-out.

 

[Carl]

You just proved my point. Aaron Rodgers was never going to touch the football again after his last throw.

No I didn't. I'm asking how Vegas made sure that they lost a 50/50 coin toss.

 

[Sky King]

For all of those that disagree, how do you explain why refs in every major sport get caught cheating? Why does that happen?

You go first because I'm not aware of any such hooliganism. Including that one rogue NBA referee from about a decade ago, none of the major sports in the USA have been tainted by Las Vegas sports books trying to needlessly affect the outcome of games. NelsonsLongCatch is correct about who cheats and who has no need to cheat.

 

[adambr2]

Can we please let the coin thing go? It didn't flip, it was an anomaly. It's very, very rare, but anomalies happen. The Cardinals won both tosses, and by the letter of the law, they didn't even have to grant a re-flip. So if they didn't have to, and they wanted us to lose, don't you think they would have just let the first spin win for the Cardinals stand?

How in the world does any events from the coin toss tie into some great conspiracy for us to lose?

 

[adambr2]

For all of those that disagree, how do you explain why refs in every major sport get caught cheating? Why does that happen?

Who was the last NFL ref to get caught cheating? Link to this story?

We've been over this before, but not only does it not make any logical or financial sense for Vegas to take such a risk, as Nelson pointed out, but the logistics that would be required go beyond a simple wink of the eye.

Think about all the potential people in on this. NFL referees. Players. Past players. EVERY SINGLE PERSON THEY'VE EVER TOLD. (Come on, you don't think every single one involved is going to keep it to themselves their entire life, do you?)

There is zero chance of sustaining a conspiracy on that level without some sort of leak at some point in time. The fact that there hasn't been one is about all the proof one needs to see that the sport is pretty clean.

Is it possible that in the 100ish year history of the NFL, some official has taken a bribe and influenced a game at some point or engaged in some sort of impropriety? Sure. Is it possible that there is some greater conspiracy now where NFL games are influenced by Vegas? No, come on now. Let's put this to rest.

 

[AmishMafia]

Its the Amish Mafia behind it all. The fact that there is no evidence of this, proves there is a cover up.

How else do you explain a coin that doesnt flip?

 

[CashInFist]

No I didn't. I'm asking how Vegas made sure that they lost a 50/50 coin toss.

Are you sure it was 50/50 odds? Or was the coin itself manipulated?

 

[PackerDNA]

Its the Amish Mafia behind it all. The fact that there is no evidence of this, proves there is a cover up.

How else do you explain a coin that doesnt flip?

I knew it !!!!

 

[CashInFist]

Can we please let the coin thing go? It didn't flip, it was an anomaly. It's very, very rare, but anomalies happen. The Cardinals won both tosses, and by the letter of the law, they didn't even have to grant a re-flip. So if they didn't have to, and they wanted us to lose, don't you think they would have just let the first spin win for the Cardinals stand?

How in the world does any events from the coin toss tie into some great conspiracy for us to lose?

Well, apparently 90% of people think it is rigged according to this poll:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-the-nfl-rigged

It wasn't always but now it is a $32 Billion SHARED REVENUE CORPORATION, and outcomes can't be left to chance.
The NFL is a corporation with 32 departments. The total league revenues are shared equally so there is no punishment for owning Jacksonville vs Kansas City vs Dallas.

A few fundamentals need to be established:
First, the NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe.

Second, in a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL argued they are not a collection of 32 teams, but a single entity. They compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, and not subject to Anti-Trust laws." Like the WWE.

Third, NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. NFL refs make less than $75,000 per season. They work for the league, period. Referees are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

Next:
The "Patriots" post 9/11 run.
The Saints 40 years of losing, then winning a title for a Katrina ravaged city.
The Harbaugh Bowl
Marketing MAGIC !!!

Next:
In 2007 a Jets season ticket holder sued the NFL for $185 million and the case reached the US Supreme Court. The Jets fan argued that, all Jets fans are entitled to refunds because they paid for a ticket to a legitimate sporting event. Had he been aware that the games were not real then we would not have gone.

The Judge stated that a ticket to a game only provides you access to the stadium. The fan entered the stadium, witnessed a game, therefore he did not suffer any damages. The fan's lawyer disagreed and argued that the NFL committed consumer fraud.

Judges ruled that fixing a game for entertainment purposes was completely LEGAL.

Next:
In 2000 Art Model, a storied and respected owner of the Baltimore Ravens announced he was selling the team. Miraculously, even with one of the worst offenses in NFL history, they won the Super Bowl. And the Ravens were subsequently sold to Steve Busciotti for a record price.

Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of Viacom (CBS). Kraft negotiated a record TV deal resulted in $24 Billion in revenue.

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl, but these two gentlemen deserve it".

There are many more examples, and no one wants this to be true.....But it is. The NFL said it themselves in court. We are entertainment and we can manage outcomes as we see fit. We're EXEMPT. Thanks for reading all of this. It is compiled from many sources.

 

[Darth Garfunkel]

When you think of some grand conspiracy reflect on the fact that the US government, the most powerful and resource rich organization ever can't even unlock an iPhone.

 

[CashInFist]

When you think of some grand conspiracy reflect on the fact that the US government, the most powerful and resource rich organization ever can't even unlock an iPhone.

Dude, Las Vegas is WAY smarter than our US Government. It's not even close. lmao

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think you are going to need to build a much stronger case then what you have presented....or wrap that to go.

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[CashInFist]

I think you are going to need to build a much stronger case then what you have presented....or wrap that to go.

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Why is it then, that a $32 Billion business can not hire competent FULL-TIME referees? Doesn't that strike you as odd?

 

[Darth Garfunkel]

Dude, Las Vegas is WAY smarter than our US Government. It's not even close. lmao

Ok, then reflect on the fact that any huge conspiracy, by the law of averages, would have to include a large number of complete idiots. Regardless of IQ, people are really bad at keeping secrets.

As George Carlin once said "Think of how stupid the average person is and realize that half of them are dumber than that!"

 

[CashInFist]

Ok, then reflect on the fact that any huge conspiracy, by the law of averages, would have to include a large number of complete idiots. Regardless of IQ, people are really bad at keeping secrets.

As George Carlin once said "Think of how stupid the average person is and realize that half of them are dumber than that!"

It is the referees, all the time. Also, I have no doubt, imo, that some players/coaches/GM's/etc. are paid off as well.

 

[RRyder]

Well, apparently 90% of people think it is rigged according to this poll:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-the-nfl-rigged

It wasn't always but now it is a $32 Billion SHARED REVENUE CORPORATION, and outcomes can't be left to chance.
The NFL is a corporation with 32 departments. The total league revenues are shared equally so there is no punishment for owning Jacksonville vs Kansas City vs Dallas.

A few fundamentals need to be established:
First, the NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe.

Second, in a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL argued they are not a collection of 32 teams, but a single entity. They compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, and not subject to Anti-Trust laws." Like the WWE.

Third, NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. NFL refs make less than $75,000 per season. They work for the league, period. Referees are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media.

Next:
The "Patriots" post 9/11 run.
The Saints 40 years of losing, then winning a title for a Katrina ravaged city.
The Harbaugh Bowl
Marketing MAGIC !!!

Next:
In 2007 a Jets season ticket holder sued the NFL for $185 million and the case reached the US Supreme Court. The Jets fan argued that, all Jets fans are entitled to refunds because they paid for a ticket to a legitimate sporting event. Had he been aware that the games were not real then we would not have gone.

The Judge stated that a ticket to a game only provides you access to the stadium. The fan entered the stadium, witnessed a game, therefore he did not suffer any damages. The fan's lawyer disagreed and argued that the NFL committed consumer fraud.

Judges ruled that fixing a game for entertainment purposes was completely LEGAL.

Next:
In 2000 Art Model, a storied and respected owner of the Baltimore Ravens announced he was selling the team. Miraculously, even with one of the worst offenses in NFL history, they won the Super Bowl. And the Ravens were subsequently sold to Steve Busciotti for a record price.

Robert Kraft and John Mara are two of the most business savvy and highly respected NFL owners. Kraft is in charge of the NFL TV broadcast committee and also leads all television negotiations for the NFL. Kraft also is on the board of Viacom (CBS). Kraft negotiated a record TV deal resulted in $24 Billion in revenue.

Atlanta Falcons owner Arthur Blank was interviewed saying "It is predetermined that these two teams would be here, I wish my team was selected to be in the Super Bowl, but these two gentlemen deserve it".

There are many more examples, and no one wants this to be true.....But it is. The NFL said it themselves in court. We are entertainment and we can manage outcomes as we see fit. We're EXEMPT. Thanks for reading all of this. It is compiled from many sources.

Compiling a list of concpericy theoris doesn't make any of it true. In fact for every point on that entire list theres a very logical and way more likely counter argument to be used against each point