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Message: <blockquote data-quote="porky88" data-source="post: 94339" data-attributes="member: 489">Re: [DEBATE] Thompson Vs ... (Overall impressions of TT/MM/eLook at the list you made. Majority of those guys were on a 4-12 team a year ago. Majority of those guys didn't help the Packers out last year after this team was 4-12. The good players from the Sherman era weren't even brought in by Mike Sherman. They were brought in by Ron Wolf.Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Mike Flanagan, Mike Wahle, Marco Rivera, Ahman Green, Donald Driver, William Henderson, Bubba Franks, Brett Favre.That's 10 of the 11 starters on those playoff teams brought in by Ron Wolf.Look at those players for a sec.Clifton and Tauscher had 0 Pro Bowls but were very solid starters and could of gone to some Pro Bowl's in their career.Outside of those 2 everyone else on that list has gone to a Pro Bowl before. That's the offense that Ron Wolf built. Brett Favre, Ahman Green, William Henderson, Donald Driver, Bubba Franks, Marco Rivera, and Mike Wahle have all gone to Pro Bowl's. Mike Sherman didn't bring them in. He was their Head Coach. Ron Wolf brought them in though the draft and trade. Sherman inherited those players while they were in their prime.You can even add the good players we had on defense to that list. KGB drafted by Ron Wolf. Darren Sharper drafted by Ron Wolf. Both went to the Pro Bowl. Sherman was their coach but he wasn't responsible for bringing them in. Mike McKenzie never went to the Pro Bowl but he was very solid here and he was drafted by none other than Ron Wolf. Those weren't Sherman guys. Those were Ron Wolf's guys. Sherman was their Head Coach. Not the GM that brought hem in.All I did was name numerous players that were brought in by Ron Wolf that played a HUGE factor in this teams success. Sherman gave us one Pro Bowler since he was here as a GM and that was Javon Walker. The rest were all Ron Wolf's guys. 10 of the 11 starters on our very good offense were brought in by Ron Wolf. Outside of Favre and Green they were all done through the NFL Draft by Ron Wolf.I'm not saying we're young. We are but I'm not going to say that. I don't have to. The play shows on the field. TT is rebuilding this team. It'll take more than 2 years. It needs to show improvement though and if it doesn't by next year then he needs to go.What's your definition of young? Chatman sure wasn't the reason we were 12-4 a few years ago. He was a decent player but certainly not that reason. Chatman was on last years team and played his biggest role on last years team that went 4-12. Carroll is young but time just ran out on him in GB. Out of all those guys only Javon Walker played a KEY role on this team going to the playoffs in 2004.If those guys don't improve in 2 to 3 years in the league then we probably should have a new GM because that'll show the inability of Ted Thompson to evaluate talent.</blockquote>

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