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    Params: post, 94396, a:3:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:6:"DePack";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:14:"[quote=DePack]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:7:"porky88";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:15:"[quote=porky88]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:6:"DePack";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:14:"[quote=DePack]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:825:"So Thompson has a built in excuse for going 4-12 for 4 seasons. Gimme a break. I'll let the history books keep record. Meanwhile you guys can tell your grandkids about that nasty ole Mike Sherman that killed this team. You better hope your grandkids don't have the smarts to look up the records or they'll be putting you in a home faster than you can type TT. Oh and I suppose that Vince Lombardi was successful because of the players Scooter McLean and Lisle Blackburn brought in. In '57 Blackburn was 3-9,. In '58 Ray "Scooter" McLean was 1-10-1. In '59 Lombardi's first year he was 7-5 and in '60 they went to the Championship game. You guys make sure you call the historians that have it wrong. Let them know that the only reason Lombardi was successful was because of the players that Blackburn and McLean brought in.";}}i:1;s:1373:" Sherman is no Lombardi. Most would consider Lombardi the greatest Head Coach EVER. That can make a huge difference in how a team plays. You can say what you want about history books but you can't dispute the absolute fact that Ron Wolf built the team that Sherman inherited. That is why Bob Harlan made the change at GM because Sherman wasn't qualified to be one and wasn't doing a very good job at being one either. If Sherman was doing this grand job like your trying to give him credit for as a GM then Harlan would of left Sherman in charge. Sherman as a Head Coach will have a winning record. As a GM he did a poor job in even finding that one player that could put this team over the top. He failed in free agency. His big pickups where Mark Roman, Hannibal Navies, and Wesley Walls. He picked up Grady Jackson off of waivers I believe in 2003. His Drafts speak for themselves. It's not the fact that GB doesn't have any of those players no more. It's the fact that only 1/3 are still in the league today. That's just awful. He made one good trade and that was for Al Harris. You can bring TT in the equation all you want but if you forget Ted Thompson for the moment and just examine the job Mike Sherman did as GM you'll see the FACTS that he took a team built by Ron Wolf to the playoffs as a Head Coach and he took that team as GM and took it to decline.";}}i:1;s:413:" Porky here is some sound advice. A little less would go alot further. Your posts are too long, especially when you say the same thing over and over. As a Mod you should realize this.....people stop reading when it's the same thing over and over. I'm only telling you this so people will read your post. BTW...thanks for not addressing the McLean/Blackburn thing. I scanned your reply and din't see their names.";}}i:1;s:545:" Wow...just....wow. Now I understand why you don't understand anything we are saying! It's not stubbornness, you just can't read. You and pyle just post "10-6 and 4-12, 10-6 and 4-12" over and over again, then we give you legitimate reasons why it happened and why it possibly couldn't have been avoided by TT and then you just reply with "10-6 and 4-12, 10-6 and 4-12. You don't even take 20 seconds of your time to read what we typed. And then you wonder why we repeat ourselves? God, it's like arguing with a brick wall. :wall: ";i:2;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:1:"i";s:6:"option";N;s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:3:"[i]";i:1;s:4:"[/i]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:66:"Edited by Porky at the end: Let's try to refrain from name calling";}}}, 1466975802, 1469929443
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    Params: post, 94400, a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:7:"ahaug82";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:15:"[quote=ahaug82]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:3:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:6:"DePack";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:14:"[quote=DePack]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:7:"porky88";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:15:"[quote=porky88]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:2:{i:0;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:5:"quote";s:6:"option";s:6:"DePack";s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:14:"[quote=DePack]";i:1;s:8:"[/quote]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:825:"So Thompson has a built in excuse for going 4-12 for 4 seasons. Gimme a break. I'll let the history books keep record. Meanwhile you guys can tell your grandkids about that nasty ole Mike Sherman that killed this team. You better hope your grandkids don't have the smarts to look up the records or they'll be putting you in a home faster than you can type TT. Oh and I suppose that Vince Lombardi was successful because of the players Scooter McLean and Lisle Blackburn brought in. In '57 Blackburn was 3-9,. In '58 Ray "Scooter" McLean was 1-10-1. In '59 Lombardi's first year he was 7-5 and in '60 they went to the Championship game. You guys make sure you call the historians that have it wrong. Let them know that the only reason Lombardi was successful was because of the players that Blackburn and McLean brought in.";}}i:1;s:1373:" Sherman is no Lombardi. Most would consider Lombardi the greatest Head Coach EVER. That can make a huge difference in how a team plays. You can say what you want about history books but you can't dispute the absolute fact that Ron Wolf built the team that Sherman inherited. That is why Bob Harlan made the change at GM because Sherman wasn't qualified to be one and wasn't doing a very good job at being one either. If Sherman was doing this grand job like your trying to give him credit for as a GM then Harlan would of left Sherman in charge. Sherman as a Head Coach will have a winning record. As a GM he did a poor job in even finding that one player that could put this team over the top. He failed in free agency. His big pickups where Mark Roman, Hannibal Navies, and Wesley Walls. He picked up Grady Jackson off of waivers I believe in 2003. His Drafts speak for themselves. It's not the fact that GB doesn't have any of those players no more. It's the fact that only 1/3 are still in the league today. That's just awful. He made one good trade and that was for Al Harris. You can bring TT in the equation all you want but if you forget Ted Thompson for the moment and just examine the job Mike Sherman did as GM you'll see the FACTS that he took a team built by Ron Wolf to the playoffs as a Head Coach and he took that team as GM and took it to decline.";}}i:1;s:413:" Porky here is some sound advice. A little less would go alot further. Your posts are too long, especially when you say the same thing over and over. As a Mod you should realize this.....people stop reading when it's the same thing over and over. I'm only telling you this so people will read your post. BTW...thanks for not addressing the McLean/Blackburn thing. I scanned your reply and din't see their names.";}}i:1;s:537:" Wow...just....wow. Now I understand why you don't understand anything we are saying! It's not stubbornness, you just can't read. You and pyle just post "10-6 and 4-12, 10-6 and 4-12" over and over again, then we give you legitimate reasons why it happened and why it possibly couldn't have been avoided by TT and then you just reply with "10-6 and 4-12, 10-6 and 4-12. You don't even take 20 seconds of your time to read what we typed. And then you wonder why we repeat ourselves? God, it's like arguing with a brick wall. :wall: ";i:2;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:1:"i";s:6:"option";N;s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:3:"[i]";i:1;s:4:"[/i]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:66:"Edited by Porky at the end: Let's try to refrain from name calling";}}}}i:1;s:487:" Why edit, porky. I'd like to see what the genius called me. And believe me, if I or anybody else that supports Sherman called names it would come to more than an edit. First of all, I never typed what you said I typed. Apparently it is a-haug that can't read. Sherman's record as GM is 12-4,12-4,10-6,10-6. TT's is 4-12 and ???? Make yourself look foolish and keep debating!!!!! And ripping pyle while he can't respond is typical. You KNOW he was banned for supporting Sherman.";}, 1466975802, 1469929443
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Thompson was referring to what he says is a complication during Blackmon's rehabilitation that has caused him to be out longer than anticipated. "The reason he wasn't able to go during training camp was not the reason he's not able to go now," he said. "It's a new thing. I'm not saying it's not the same foot or the same area or anything like that. But the foot is a very complicated thing." Blackmon, a fourth-round draft choice from Boston College, suffered a break of the fifth metatarsal bone in his right foot during a routine play May 21 in minicamp. On May 30, he underwent surgery. According to Blackmon, he never had a setback and his current problems aren't related to treatment. "It's just not ready yet," he said Friday. "It was an educated guess they made. You've got to live and die with the decision they make. I could have been back by the Saints game (Sept. 17) but it just so happens I wasn't. You can't really say this should be better by then. The body reacts in a funky way." 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If Blackmon had gone on the physically unable to perform list, he would have had to remain there until at least Oct. 17. Between Oct. 17 and Nov. 7, the Packers could have designated him eligible for practice for a 21-day period. After the 21 days, they either would have had to activate him, cut him or place him on injured reserve. "You always err on the side of caution, particularly when it's a weight-bearing bone," a personnel director for another team said. "He's got to plant and drive. Unless you know 100% he'll be ready by Week 3 you just keep him on PUP. Give him as much time as you can." Thompson said the Packers weren't concerned in the least about having to pay 54 players. Blackmon did practice from Sept. 6-8, wore pads on two days and took part in team drills with the scout team. Since then, he hasn't been able to take part in any organized workouts "I just wanted to try it out," he said. "It wasn't a failure. It just wasn't ready. We want it to be as soon as possible. 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