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<blockquote data-quote="sschind" data-source="post: 1032470" data-attributes="member: 10247"><p>Not really a reply to you but your comment leads me to my point better. Is it really crazy reaching once you get past the first couple of rounds. I'd argue that even in the first round we don't know what any GM's board looks like. A consensus board of draft pundits could be very different than a GM's board. Did any Consensus boards have Gibbs rated as the #12 player overall last year? I think most I saw had him 2nd round with a few maybe slipping into the late first. I don't think I saw any with him in the top 25. Obviously the Lions board had him up there. Was he a reach? It doesn't look like it at this point. Also what is considered a reach? Since we have no way of knowing where any player falls on any GM's board we don't really know if any given player is a reach or not. If Gute passes on a player at 25 that consensus boards have rated as say the 50th rated player and he goes at 26 or 27 would it have been a reach to take him at 25? They key to getting the guys you really like is taking them before someone else does not taking them where a bunch of experts think he should be taken.</p><p></p><p>Consensus boards, while useful mainly for the draft pool illiterates such as myself, are nothing more than guidelines for the masses. They have no bearing or relationship on the boards of the people who matter. Those are the GMs who ultimately make the decisions and whichever staff members they choose to include in that process.</p><p></p><p>Now there are a few people on this board (tiny, Dantes, oldschool, Amish and a few others) who's opinions I really value when it comes to draft picks but even they disagree on some players</p><p></p><p>The stupidest thing any fan can say about a draft pick and nothing makes me discount their opinion faster than "he would have been there "X" rounds later" and I will guarantee you we will see it a few times over the next few months.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sschind, post: 1032470, member: 10247"] Not really a reply to you but your comment leads me to my point better. Is it really crazy reaching once you get past the first couple of rounds. I'd argue that even in the first round we don't know what any GM's board looks like. A consensus board of draft pundits could be very different than a GM's board. Did any Consensus boards have Gibbs rated as the #12 player overall last year? I think most I saw had him 2nd round with a few maybe slipping into the late first. I don't think I saw any with him in the top 25. Obviously the Lions board had him up there. Was he a reach? It doesn't look like it at this point. Also what is considered a reach? Since we have no way of knowing where any player falls on any GM's board we don't really know if any given player is a reach or not. If Gute passes on a player at 25 that consensus boards have rated as say the 50th rated player and he goes at 26 or 27 would it have been a reach to take him at 25? They key to getting the guys you really like is taking them before someone else does not taking them where a bunch of experts think he should be taken. Consensus boards, while useful mainly for the draft pool illiterates such as myself, are nothing more than guidelines for the masses. They have no bearing or relationship on the boards of the people who matter. Those are the GMs who ultimately make the decisions and whichever staff members they choose to include in that process. Now there are a few people on this board (tiny, Dantes, oldschool, Amish and a few others) who's opinions I really value when it comes to draft picks but even they disagree on some players The stupidest thing any fan can say about a draft pick and nothing makes me discount their opinion faster than "he would have been there "X" rounds later" and I will guarantee you we will see it a few times over the next few months. [/QUOTE]
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