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About freaking time! Now we can finally have a debate!
2. I've highlighted those years you mentioned. Because I was curious.
2008 was Rodgers official start as The Packers starting QB, glad to see we're at LEAST ON the same page regarding that in which wasn't too bad in all honesty.
2010 based off what I'm seeing compared to his previous 2 years at the time, he wasn't too far off from how he was a year previously. Doesn't seem like an off year to me.
2015 The famous year where we ran the table. Compared to his stats at that point, this was certainly a dip in performance. I'll certainly give you that. But we did make the playoffs and made
2018 Outside of his start in 2008 , and even then I'd say this past season was Rodgers worse. 2017 he went down with an injury so that doesn't count.
So based off the years I'd say 2015 was the only time you could say Rodgers had a down year, as 2010 while Rodgers was better in 09, he certainly was in the same ballpark.
You certainly love throwing the word "semantics" around don't you? Dude just because you used <Insert Heath Ledger voice> Very poor choice of words, doesn't mean I am not open minded. If that wasn't the case I wouldn't have challenged you the way I did to prove me wrong. Even longtimefan from what I saw was initially confused by that post so clearly I wasn't the only one taken aback by that. Perhaps you may want to use better choice of words next time.
As for risks goes, Rodgers isn't one to take unnecessary gambits unless he has to, and for the longest it's been working for us. And as I've said before trust takes time. I've said this numerous times now but I used Devante and Jordy as two good examples. It takes time to build trust. Fortunately I think we'll see a vast improvement going into next year.
Okay. For the sake of time and argument I'm gonna ask you to name another team that's had to rely on rookie recievers for the majority of the season, outside of one veteran receiver, that is in the post season right now? Trust is a two way street, and I never said the receivers were at fault. If you had read I addressed this and even said that is something Arodg needs to work on.
I make lengthy responses because I enjoy debating, and in cases like yourself I feel I need to be thorough as my points apparently go over your head. If I'm wrong, i'm wrong. Won't be the first and certainly won't be the last. I enjoy long debates because I enjoy this team and I love getting opinions, even if it's something I don't agree with. Anyone can easily throw their opinions out there, but that simply means that others are free to engage and criticize it if they don't necessarily agree with it. It'll be up to you to defend your points. I am way past the point where stuff on the internet riles me up. Do I get annoyed? Yes, but riled? Not so much.
That and it helps time go by faster at my job.
1. Considering I'm the one that's been going in depth most of the time when dissecting people's arguments, yours included, I don't see how you've drawn that conclusion that I don't read. But hey to each their own I suppose.
2. I've highlighted those years you mentioned. Because I was curious.
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2008 was Rodgers official start as The Packers starting QB, glad to see we're at LEAST ON the same page regarding that in which wasn't too bad in all honesty.
2010 based off what I'm seeing compared to his previous 2 years at the time, he wasn't too far off from how he was a year previously. Doesn't seem like an off year to me.
2015 The famous year where we ran the table. Compared to his stats at that point, this was certainly a dip in performance. I'll certainly give you that. But we did make the playoffs and made
2018 Outside of his start in 2008 , and even then I'd say this past season was Rodgers worse. 2017 he went down with an injury so that doesn't count.
So based off the years I'd say 2015 was the only time you could say Rodgers had a down year, as 2010 while Rodgers was better in 09, he certainly was in the same ballpark.
I didn't even bring up Brees, Brady, or Manning this time around, and brought up Big Ben! And you've yet to name a time and instance where Rodgers went up to the podium and blamed someone else. I'm not arguing semantics, you're simply not answering the question. So again. When has he done this, and towards whom?
What was that about you saying about The Pot calling the kettle Black? It would be childish if I WAS in denial, but considering I've actually have gone through and made counter arguments, in which people have agreed to my way of thinking speaks for itself. I never shied away. I'm loving how you're sitting here relying on what was said on other posts, rather than give examples yourself. So I'll say with all those numerous posts you claim that were made, I've countered argued almost all of them. You can't sit here and deny that I haven't, otherwise you my friend haven't been paying much attention. You can get tired and dance around it all you want. It's not gonna change anything. There hasn't been one thing I haven't addressed during my time here. I've never shied away from a challenge to be proven wrong. If you can't bring up new points, then I'll simply have to assume it's something that I've already covered. Sorry but that's just how it goes man. Nothing childish about that. The only thing that's getting stale is your attempts at avoiding my questions.
So that's your excuse now? I'm arguing semantics? Guys like you are making a big deal out of stuff like what former players have to say about Rodgers, and not being held accountable, when he is, and throwing people under the bus, which he hasn't. I have been on the record and said Rodgers gets a share of the blame for how this season went, based on his GAME. All this other stuff apparently wasn't too big of a deal as we were WINNING. Now all of a sudden these are problems. If it was as problematic as you guys claim then how have we been winning over the years? Heh. Semantics....Sure dude. Whatever you say.
Dude with respect, you don't know me. Rodgers demands the best out of his players as it's demanded from him, and he typically delivers. Considering the same is asked out of me by my teammates, I certainly would rise to the challenge. Playing with a guy like Rodgers is once in a lifetime, and he maximizes players potential. Don't believe me, name one receiver that left The Packers and did well? I'm a grown *** man. I don't get shaken easily. My mother raised me to push myself past my limits and beyond. And since you're going to mention there are plenty threads and posts, I'll say the same in regards to me addressing them in all likeliness during my time here.
I think LTF very well know what I meant with my post here ... - as I know LTF (contrary to you) is more open-minded and thorough ...
No, I didn't say I'd rather have a QB that throws ints instead of throwing the ball away ... - HOWEVER - I do want a QB that is willing to risk more to win and who TRUSTS his receivers to make a play (regardless if they don't or do) and regardless of who those receivers are ... OVER one who openly distrusts his receivers and is NOT willing to risk (his stats LOL) to win the game ...
Again, you seemingly want to argue semantics, instead of actually reading the post in the context to which it was posted ... - Kinda like Rodgers stats ...
You certainly love throwing the word "semantics" around don't you? Dude just because you used <Insert Heath Ledger voice> Very poor choice of words, doesn't mean I am not open minded. If that wasn't the case I wouldn't have challenged you the way I did to prove me wrong. Even longtimefan from what I saw was initially confused by that post so clearly I wasn't the only one taken aback by that. Perhaps you may want to use better choice of words next time.
As for risks goes, Rodgers isn't one to take unnecessary gambits unless he has to, and for the longest it's been working for us. And as I've said before trust takes time. I've said this numerous times now but I used Devante and Jordy as two good examples. It takes time to build trust. Fortunately I think we'll see a vast improvement going into next year.
I never claimed "gelling" and building a report with your receiver corps doesn't take time, however, using that excuse over and over again when so many other QBs around the league is in similar situations and STILL manage to produce is asinine ... - Bottomline ... when you are paid the big bucks, it's time to put up or go home ...
Again ... - Your lengthy response to my posts kinda illustrates my initial assessment pretty well ... - You're the kind of poster, who gets all riled up when someone disagrees with you.
Have a good day ! (or evening)
Okay. For the sake of time and argument I'm gonna ask you to name another team that's had to rely on rookie recievers for the majority of the season, outside of one veteran receiver, that is in the post season right now? Trust is a two way street, and I never said the receivers were at fault. If you had read I addressed this and even said that is something Arodg needs to work on.
I make lengthy responses because I enjoy debating, and in cases like yourself I feel I need to be thorough as my points apparently go over your head. If I'm wrong, i'm wrong. Won't be the first and certainly won't be the last. I enjoy long debates because I enjoy this team and I love getting opinions, even if it's something I don't agree with. Anyone can easily throw their opinions out there, but that simply means that others are free to engage and criticize it if they don't necessarily agree with it. It'll be up to you to defend your points. I am way past the point where stuff on the internet riles me up. Do I get annoyed? Yes, but riled? Not so much.
That and it helps time go by faster at my job.
