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Coronavirus (Covid-19) --General discussion and advice

Discussion in 'The Atrium' started by Sky King, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. weeds

    weeds Fiber deprived old guy.

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    With the staying power of that brown stuff you step in that gets stuck between the sole of your shoe and heel. Yessiree bub...dried mud is a sumbuck.
     
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    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Be Safe Buggy, drink lots of beer (Not Corona) to fight off that Virus! ;)

    This by far is probably the best I have seen so far in regards to simply explaining the goal of "flattening out the curve". Share it with all those people you know that think they are invincible and can still safely wander about in mass.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
     
  3. Mondio

    Mondio Cheesehead

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    yeah, flatten the curve is nice in theory. works really nice on a computer model. How long are we going to shut things down for? This isn't over in 2 weeks. They say we'll have 100 million cases by May if we don't, yet on a ship, only 17% were infected after a month and half of them never even had a symptom. But they say we could have over double that infected in the wide open spaces off a ship? Should I be worried? Should we shut the world down for 2 months because of it? Why should I believe a disease based on "simulitis" and not something has happened in the real world under about the worst conditions you could try and contain a virus in? 0.5% fatality rate isn't nice, but it certainly isn't stop the world worthy either. We've been thru it numerous times. and if most of the fatalities are going to be gone from something in the next 12 months is it really something to shut the world down for? None of us are getting out alive anyway and 2 weeks isn't going to do it

    This is going to be serious for some people, and we don't have enough ventilators or negative pressure rooms in the US. How long you want to flatten the curve for? If we have 100 million people that are going to get it, we'll have to flatten this curve for years and years. you know how many ventilators we have here in this state? a few hundred, about 500 in neighboring MN.

    If this gets bad, we're not flattening anything because we still won't have enough and we're not going to 6 months from now either. People still need to eat, people still need to go make some money, Doctors still need to doctor. Support staff still needs to support. How long we gonna keep schools closed for? over 30% of just the nurses in this state have kids in schools. Daycares and babysitters? Fine, what happens when symptom free mommy comes home and kids go to daycare the next day? Not everyone can or will just sit at home. The world isn't going to stop if I die and I wouldn't expect it to.

    This simulation says an infected and recovered person can't carry it and pass it to someone else who hasn't had it. I'd say that's likely incorrect as most people can be carriers for everything for a short time at least, immune, or not. They run their simulations as if everyone is going to get it, well if that's the case, we better try flattening this sucker for the next 30 years. in a real world situation on a boat, 700 out of 4000 got it, and half were not "sick" they were nothing but a carrier like so many other illnesses we deal with every year. But this simulation runs it to ZERO healthy people. Really? Even Ebola isn't that infectious. and if this is? what we're doing is nothing right now because it isn't going to matter.
     
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    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Maybe you should look at each individual Country and how they have approached things in regards to COVID-19 and how different approaches have had different outcomes. I am not a scientist or doctor, nor do I play one on the internet, but if you don't believe in the theory behind flattening out the curve and how it saves lives, then I guess go with what you believe, just stay off my yard! ;)
     
  5. Heyjoe4

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    Well, no one is sure that this will go away in the summer like the typical flu. I’m hoping that people a lot smarter than me can find a vaccine. September without football? Unthinkable, and what will we talk about?
     
  6. Mondio

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    Like where? What the news tells me? I remember H1N1. And all the numbers reported turned out to be pure bullshit once the dust settled and freedom of information act hearings were had to release the real data.

    I see they have headlines about Iran and not quarantining and having the single biggest day increase of corona deaths ever.

    seems like a headline made for tv in America. Evil Iran, stupid decisions, death ensues. America rejoices, don’t be like evil Iran.

    anyway, I’m just some dumb dude in the internet asking questions. Why should I take any article to heart that has computer models where every single person gets sick when we know that doesn’t happen in a population with anything?
     
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    Flattening the curve makes sense in that how many people do you want to be sick at the same time? Do nothing and you get exponential growth like Italy has seen. Doesn't take too many weeks and many millions are sick simultaneously. Not a good situation of you want the lights on, the toilet to flush and food production going on. While most people aren't going to die (about97%) , I don't want to get it and carry it to a loved one who may be part of the 3% that will die. Swamp the hospitals and you can bet the death rate will go way up. Think of it this way: If you know 500 peaple, strike 5 to 10 off that list if we don't flatten the curve.
     
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    Mondio Cheesehead

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    In theory. How much do we shut it down? Where’s your limit? 2 weeks, 6 months?

    I don’t believe the death rate is 3% at all. I do believe it is much closer to .3-.6%

    As they test more and find more and test those that aren’t sick enough to even call them sick, that ratio is going to come down quite a bit from focusing on testing nursing home patients in an outbreak and extrapolating from that.
     
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    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Yeah I'd be careful about keeping that garage door open like that.

    What I don't like is that he emptied the stores as a way of acquiring that stockpile. That's what I would certainly call unethical and inconsiderate of others who need to be able to buy stuff from their local dollar and bargain stores. That part I don't like.

    However, I have a serious question about what Amazon and eBay define as price gouging. That sounds a little subjective to me in how you could define it.

    I'm wondering what would happen say for example if someone had stockpiled stuff like toilet paper six months ago, and not by raiding store shelves but by ordering certain bulks from some emergency supply online company and then later decided they had stocked too much. So then this event comes up and they decide they want to sell off some of their stockpile to the frenzied mob, and they sell it for say... Twice what local retailers are selling it for, or maybe even a little less. Is that price gouging according to Amazon, eBay or state governments who have those emergency price gouging laws?

    If so, I have to go on the record as saying I don't like it. Selling stuff during crisis times for say... 10x the real market value I'd call sleazy sure, but if it's only a bit above the margins, nobody should be punished for that. And hell, I'd say using free market economics and starting your own business selling this stuff and undercutting the price gougers would be a better way of stopping them than using police state tactics.

    Just my... Capitalist thoughts on the matter.
     
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    Yes and there is an acceptable (palatable) amount of it, depending on the situation, timing, etc. I mean people don't blink an eye at those charging and getting 10 times the original cost of a Super Bowl ticket. Simple supply and demand economics and sheer capitalism at its finest. However, when it comes to the health and safety of others, people like this are plain and simple 110% asshats in my opinion. Right up there with a certain leader wanting to buy off the German specialists that are working on a vaccine, so that said person could have exclusive access to it.

    If I was a doctor and this guy with all the hand sanitizer wanted treatment, I would try to make sure he was the last to get it and it was very expensive. :devilish:
     
  14. PackerfaninCarolina

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    Yeah, and it's true that Amazon and eBay are private entities and they can set their own rules on leveling the playing field and preventing price gouging as they see fit.

    But as a practical matter, price controls are bad. Over in Europe and in Canada they got those on pharmaceutical companies who they say need to be held in check from gouging drug prices. Problem is those price controls are keeping those companies from reinvesting in new developments and getting better drugs in the market. That and add to their government run healthcare systems and you got big problems when current crises hit.

    Now I'll say this

    1. Obviously this guy was not developing lifesaving medicines

    2. I do think the way he acquired all that hand sanitizer and respirator equipment was a bit selfish and greedy on his part.

    I think we'd probably all agree he didn't do anyone a public service because he went out and emptied store shelves and potentially put some people who were disadvantaged income wise out of luck to buy what they needed. So in the name of ethical and social responsibility during tough times, yes I agree this way of emptying out store shelves like that was wrong.

    But when it comes to what Amazon and eBay did to him, you'd have to keep in mind a few things

    1. I would assume they are agnostic when it comes to their merchants' suppliers and wouldn't know whether or not they had raided local store shelves or bulk ordered inventory from some online supplier

    2. If that's true, it would probably mean someone else could go buying a bunch of stuff off their local Walmart shelves and then resell it on Amazon or eBay and make some profits so long as they stayed within the fair price margin or whatever it is

    I think what this guy was trying to do was target the customer base of people with deeper pockets who were planning on raiding Walmart and stockpiling all kinds of stuff. What he probably figured was that people who were responding to the Coronavirus the way they were were stupid, and as such they should be taken advantage of if they were so desperate to go buying up a whole bunch of sanitizer and stuff. And in that respect I'd say he was on to something.

    What he probably should have done was instead of buying all that stuff up at his local stores, setup a drop ship business with its own website and set his own prices there. That way he could get around Amazon and eBay's price controls and set his own and reach his target customers.
     
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    If you buy into that propaganda. ;) Follow the money trail my friend and look at some of the big pharms. This is like Monsanto saying the same thing about what they do.
     
  16. buggybill2003

    buggybill2003 fan of Jessie P

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    I think it's sweet....lol
     
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    We are now on complete shutdown. We are advised to stay in our room, and if we have to go out, couples are advised to walk a metre apart. I'm all for obeying instructions but surely if one member of a couple is possibly infected, the other one is likely to be too ?
     
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    Question, not a dig before some start. With the U.S. having private health insurance, what will happen to those who can't afford it. Do hospitals still treat those people if they prove positive to the new virus ?
     
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    That's why our ER's are flooded with sniffles year round of every day long before Corona. We can't turn people away based on ability to pay for "emergency" services. Now if you want a nose job, take a hike. Sick? say you're hurt? walk in, wait, get looked at.
     
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    Given the substandard quality of drugs in price controlled countries, I'm afraid I cannot agree there.


    I will say this though. If I had accumulated rolls of toilet paper and saw this ridiculous buying craze going on I'd have no problem selling it in the yard at say... $50 a roll. Nobody is making anyone buy it from me and nor is it a lifesaving product. I think if people are being ridiculous enough to think they will need months supplies of it and are desperate enough to pay high prices for it, hell yeah you should price gouge them.
     
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    I would probably buy 4 rolls of your toilet paper, but you would awake the next morning to find your trees well decorated with it. And I am sure being the bright entrepreneur that you seem to be, you would wrap it back on a roll and try to resell it at a "discount".
     
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    No Big Sports going on? No problem! Marble racing is in!

     
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    Guys in Ohio? Bought 1700 bottles of hand sanitizer

    Selling on Amazon...got caught..now banned there and eBay
     
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    Hope he gets a visit from the "local neighbourhood watch" with baseball bats !
     
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    That blue marble is fast! Think maybe we could get him on the Packers?
     
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