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Computer Tip #1,349

Discussion in 'The Atrium' started by Zero2Cool, Sep 29, 2006.

  1. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Do NOT install over 7,000 fonts at the same time.
     
  2. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    ya sure that is it, or your avatar slowing ya down :p

    lol
     
  3. 4packgirl

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    my puter thanks you for changing your avatar & siggy, zero!! i'll thank you later...properly! ;)
     
  4. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    The old one had poor quality, espescially if you zoomed in on it for detail. So it had to go.
     
  5. Zombieslayer

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    Computer tip #1,400. Delete Windows. Install Linux (or have someone else do it for you). Prepare for a lifetime without computer frustration.
     
  6. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    I have linux and use linux. But I have a hard time finding software that will work on it.

    It's a Windows world out there!
     
  7. all about da packers

    all about da packers Cheesehead

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    Is Linux like the next OS that will eventually give Microsoft a run for its money?
     
  8. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    No. The general people dislike and fear change. Linux is not advertised anywhere near how Windows is.
     
  9. Ryan

    Ryan Cheesehead

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    Linux will not be giving Windows a run for anything as a workstation in the corporate environment any time soon. It's too different from Windows, the open source software that runs on it is not the same as what people are used to and it can not be centrally managed in an enterprise environement like a MS or Novell domain.
     
  10. all about da packers

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    I thought Linux might be the next generation of Os, because I remember a few adds from Walmart advertising computers being sold at a good price and having Linux on it.

    IMO it's sad that Linux won't compete with Microsoft, I think it would really push Microsoft to make better software. A little competition never hurt anyone would by my line of thinking.
     
  11. majikman

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    Microsoft is the best.

    Before it came along, you had crap like OS2 and MacIntosh.

    Somehow the market had to have a standard so things could develop to where they are today.

    Bill Gates should have a statue erected of him in every city.
     
  12. Zombieslayer

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    Sorry bro, but I've tried them all and between OS X, Linux, BSD, AIX, and Windows, Windows loses. Sometimes the market isn't right. VHS vs Beta anyone? Or even better, remember mini-discs? They're even writeable, yet they never took off.

    Now, for a little bit of trivia for you, name one thing Bill Gates invented.
     
  13. Ryan

    Ryan Cheesehead

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    MS-DOS? He and Allen were around when that went down, but Allen left in the early 80's - cant remember anymore it's been a while since we read about that crap in class (not like you need it in the work place!) '82-'83 maybe? Not sure if HE invented that but I'm almost certain he was in the picture when they came up with it.

    And Zombie, Windows wins in the enterprise environment, for workstations ;)
     
  14. majikman

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    No..Gates stole Dos from IBM....or er..modified it and claimed it as his own.

    I actually prefer UNIX, but when you have to have business applications and Networking that's not as ef'd up as Novell, Windows wins hands down.

    Remember how crappy the Mac OS word processing software was a few short years ago? The problem was, these companies did not develop their business or home computing apps.

    No. Gates revolutionized PC software so the average idiot could have a computer in their home without having to learn 50 different operating systems to do all the work that needed to be done.

    The problem is that these companies...IBM, AT&T, APPLE, etc..just didn't have the vision that Gates had to simplify and develop their software for the average user.
     
  15. Zombieslayer

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    My wife is as computer illiterate as they come and has no problems with either our Macs our Linux.

    My big problems with Windows is I actually have to use it at work for real applications, like our version control system and our bug system. My job before this, I had an old linux box running Bugzilla and CVS and it did circles around what we have now.

    Sure, Windows is fine for your average Joe using it for games, word processing, and doing their taxes. Put any load on it and you'll be swearing more than a car mechanic.
     
  16. Zombieslayer

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    DOS was originally QDOS and it was purchased by Microsoft and renamed MS-DOS.

    As for the enterprise environment, depends. If you're just doing Word Processing and playing Solitaire, that's fine. If you're doing anything that requires any kind of load, forget it and get a real OS.

    I wouldn't be so anti-Microsoft if they'd put out a product that doesn't waste an hour a day of my time, where I could be getting work done so I could get home earlier and spending some quality time with my family instead of fighting a !@#$%^& computer. With their track record, I doubt that day will ever come. :evil:
     
  17. Ryan

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    Load? What do most engineering software run on? You won't be running Microstation, Solidworks or Autocad on Fefora any time soon. Now graphics, Photoshop? No not on *nix, a Mac certainly. And now that they run nix in core they are becoming rather interesting as well. Almost tempted to pick up a MacBook Pro to play around with it.

    Management of *nix workstations in an enterprise environment is a joke. Windows and Novel domains have native tools for manageing their clients (and AD was ripped off from Novel). I'm just saying that the overhead associated with running a *nix domain (or whatever the heck they call it I forget now) certainly isn't worth the learning curve for hundreds/thousands of employees and the IT overhead of trying to manage those boxes. Could you imaging the time it would take to get people used to "open office" and the other half-assed programs out there that try to simulate the MS based software. That would be a nightmare.

    I won't question *nix servers as being superior since the whole darn internet runs off them, they are obviously far better on resources than MS so I will certainly give them that.

    And if you are spending an hour a day solving a Windows problem you should look into Symanted Ghost or the native image load abilites of Windows Server. I can ghost a machine in under 10min, rejoin the domain and have the user back up and running ;) We deal with county websites at my business and our users are constantly downloading client plugins and image display utilities to view documents online. They consitantly over right dll's and other files that thier previous viewers have installed, it's crazy. I will ghost a machine usually every other week just because it's not worth my time or the users downtime to figure out what overwrote what, it's better to just give them a clean load and go from there.

    :twocents:
     
  18. majikman

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    Zombie.

    Read the last paragraph. Also, why not use unix/linux for backend processors and MS for front end business products?

    Bill Gates, Born: October 28, 1951 in Seattle, Washington.

    Bill had a vision as a teenager that every business and household should have a computer. The realization of Bill Gates' vision has changed the computing world.
    Education: Attended Harvard University
    Professional Experience: Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Microsoft Corporation, 1975 - Present.
    Founded Lakeside Programming Group, 1971 - 1974
    Honors: 1992, National Medal of Technology

    William Henry Gates was born into an affluent Seattle family. Gates is the second of three children of William and Mary Gates. Gates' parents were involved in politics and business and they encouraged their children to get involved in their lives. Gates worked as a page at the State capital in Olympia, Washington and in Washington D.C. Confidence and intelligence are two traits that helped Gates obtain his goals. Mathematics, business and computing were fields in which Gates had keen interests. Gates and his friends often studied Fortune magazine for fun. It is these characteristics that helped Bill Gates change the computing world.

    At thirteen, Gates enrolled in Lakeside, a very strict, private school. Lakeside offered students the opportunity to explore their own interests. Gates would read far ahead in his classes giving himself free time to explore his interests in computers and business. When Gates was in eighth grade, Lakeside bought a teletype machine and computer time from a donation from the "Mothers Club" rummage sale. The system was an ASR-33 Teletype with paper type connected over a phone line to a GE computer. Mastering the operation of this machine became a contest between the students. Computer time was very expensive, and after a short time the donation from the "Mothers Club" was exhausted. Obtaining free computer time would become a main goal of Gates and his best friend, Paul Allen.

    BASIC was the language run by the GE computer system. Gates and Allen would spend hours reading the BASIC manuals and teaching themselves the language. The two boys finally found a local business to pay for all their computer time. The company had a DEC machine which also ran BASIC. Gates and Allen would go to the Computer Center Corporation, C-Cubed, at night and look for computer bugs in exchange for computer time. Gates spent the next couple of years at the computer center teaching himself FORTRAN, LISP and PDP-10 machine language. The boys would not just look for bugs, but they would also study the operating system from discarded code they found in the trash. Two others, Ric Weiland and Kent Evans, joined Gates and Allen at the computing center and the four of them became addicted to learning everything they could about computers. These four youths called themselves the Lakeside Programming Group.

    The Lakeside Programming Group was a profitable experience. The C-Cubed corporation eventually went bankrupt and Gates and his friends were forced to find another source of free computer time. The programming group found a company in Portland that used the same PDP-10 machine as C-Cubed. Gates contacted the company and persuaded it to let the group write a COBOL payroll program in exchange for free computer time. By coding this program, the group learned much about payroll, taxes and labor reports: business information that interested them.

    A major event occurred during the coding of the payroll project. The other members of the group did not think the project was big enough for all four members and asked Gates to leave. Gates's response was "Look, if you (ever) want me to come back you have to let me be in charge. But this is a dangerous thing, because if you put me in charge this time, I'm going to want to be in charge forever after" (Bill Gates Interview, 8). The group reconsidered and agreed to Gates's terms and the payroll project was completed on time. Gates's confidence and self-assurance began to blossom.

    Other job opportunities came to the Lakeside Programming Group. The boys did a scheduling system for Lakeside school and were paid $4,200.00. They also coded "Traf-O-Data" for the Washington State Road Department. This program tabulated readings from pressure hoses on roadways which determined the location of traffic lights and how to distribute road repair funds.

    Gates graduated from Lakeside in 1973 and enrolled in Harvard University to study mathematics or law. He really did not have much interest in computer science. He felt he was computer literate and thought the computer science crowd was uninteresting. While walking through Harvard Square one day, Allen and Gates noticed something that would change their lives forever. The two saw a copy of Popular Electronics magazine. On the cover of the magazine was a picture of the Altair, a computer kit which you could assemble yourself.

    When Gates and Allen were still in Lakeside, they dreamed of starting a computer company that would use the same Intel microprocessor as the Altair. Gates, Allen and their friend, Paul Gilbert, a wiring wizard, built their own machine at Lakeside, using Intel's 8008 1k microprocessor chips. The group had an opportunity to demonstrate their machine but they could not get it working and abandoned the idea. After seeing this magazine and not wanting to be excluded, Gates contacted Ed Roberts of the MITS company and proposed to write some BASIC software for the Altair.

    The two started on their new project immediately. Allen worked on the assembler and Gates started the coding. A third person, Monte Davidoff, joined the team and wrote several math packages. None of the team members had ever seen the Altair machine or the Intel processor. One mistake would cause the software not to run. Gates contacted MITS to inform it of their progress. MITS personnel were impressed with what they were hearing and decided to meet Paul Allen and test the team's code.

    At MITS corporate locale in Albuquerque, Paul Allen loaded the team's code onto the Altair. On the second try, the system booted and worked as planned. Gates and Allen moved to Albuquerque to help MITS with the Altar. In April, 1975, Gates and Allen founded the Microsoft Corporation in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Microsoft would sell its BASIC system to MITS, NCR and Intel. It was much cheaper for these companies to buy Microsoft's software than to write their own. Gates and Allen hired Marc McDonald and Ric Weiland, both high school friends, to help with Microsoft's expansion.

    On January 1, 1979, Bill Gates moved Microsoft and its sixteen employees from Albuquerque to Seattle, Washington. Gates thought that recruiting programmers would be easier from this site. Microsoft developed a standard for hiring new employees. Only the most gifted and intelligent new college graduates would be hired. Little job experience was considered positive from Microsoft's point of view. An employee with little experience would have no bias'.

    The expansion of personnel lead to the development of a Microsoft spreadsheet program and Microsoft Word. Interests in graphical interfaces were realized.

    In 1981, Gates purchased the SCP-DOS operating system from Seattle Computer Products, later modifying the operating system to MS-DOS. Gates made a deal with IBM to write an operating system for its new line of personal computers, and in 1981, MS-DOS was shipped on all new IBM PC's. Microsoft made additional technological breakthroughs in the 1980's. In April, 1983, Microsoft introduced the "mouse" and in November 1983, a graphical user interface known as "Windows" was introduced.
     
  19. PackinSteel

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    Ain't that the truth Ryan. Of course, Ghost does cut down on our BSOD troubleshooting abilities! :D
     
  20. Ryan

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    Yeah it does away with the BSOD problems unless it's a hardware failure causing it, then I just run the storage room, open up a new Dell and toss it in their cube. User production issue fixed and the workstation can now be looked at, at my leisure ;) No impact on production.
     
  21. Zombieslayer

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    I just added 16 million rows in Oracle today. Try that on a Microsoft box.

    If you're going to start naming off programs that don't run on Linux, NOTHING I do runs on Windows. Animation software? Linux & Mac. I don't mean the cheap stuff that amateurs put on websites but the real stuff that the big boys use. Music recording software? Linux or Mac. Managing giant databases? It's all Unix or Linux. Nobody in the right mind uses Windows for that stuff.

    As for Ghost, used it, love it. But come on. Look at it this way - imagine an OS that's so full of garbage that you need 3rd party software to not be driven nuts. Computers shouldn't crash, period. They shouldn't get viruses either. They shouldn't have to be defragmented either. All that stuff is because Windows is so shoddily written that you have to put up with that crap.

    I've had uptimes of years, literally, on my servers. Doesn't happen on Windows servers because Windows servers are garbage. Nobody in the right mind uses Windows as a server.

    As for Photoshop, have you tried The GIMP? It's a piece of beauty. I'm finding things on the GIMP that I've been disappointed with Photoshop with.

    So like I said before, if you're doing simple office work, Windows is fine. If you're going to do anything real, get a real OS.
     

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