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Comparison, Saints and Packers

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by morningwood, Dec 13, 2011.

  1. SaintItSweet

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    Watch the games again, bud. Brees left in the late 3rd quarter vs the Colts, and we went run-run-run with our backup QB.

    Also watch the Giants game. We went run-run-run in the 4th qtr as well. That Ingram broke off a 35 yard touchdown while running is nobody's fault. The Saints ain't Belicheat/Brady, we don't pass while up 40. Besides, speaking of passing while up 40. Matt Flynn and Rodgers were throwing on the Raiders in the 3rd and 4th quarters when the game was already well out of reach. What say you?

    But hey, If you want to be juvenile we can say the the Packers have 20 more turnovers than the Saints, and the only reason Rodgers has 7 more touchdowns is due to 20 more opportunities to score on short fields.

    Quarterback-e-peenery aside: The reality is time will tell who is the better QB. This year it is darn well close and if the teams do play each other in the playoffs.. it will be a good one.
     
  2. Southpaw

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    Brees had 5 touchdowns before he was pulled out of the Colts game. I'm not sure you understand what running up the score means.

    Out of reach against the Raiders and out of reach against the hapless Colts are two different things. No lead is safe and no game is out of reach with a 31st ranked defense, like ours.

    And Rodgers was throwing we were up by 31, not 40.

    What do back up QB 's throwing have to do with comparing two starting QB's? We are talking about how running up the score affects the stats of Rodgers/Brees not Flynn/Daniel
     
  3. ivo610

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    I remember similar talk of Michael Vick and everyone dismissing their chances at Lambeau.

    Of all the teams in the NFC the Saints are really the only challenge for the Pack.

    NFC championship (which mostly likely wont be packers saints, when was the last time an NFC championship game was #1 vs #2?) spread would be about 4 I would guess.
     
  4. ivo610

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    Its too bad that Brees is having one of his best seasons ever and it hardly gets noticed.
     
  5. Kitten

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    The Packers and Saints are a lot more similar than they are different. I think some of us are seriously underestimating Brees and the Saints offense. I won't pick too much at the Saint's D when our own D is still trying to polish themselves up, but offensively, come on, I don't think there are two better offenses in the league right now than the Packers and Saints. I strongly think the NFC Championship game is going to come down to the Packers and Saints and I think the game is going to be an all out lights out war on offense. QB Duel. Rodgers Vs Brees. My bet is the team with the better performing QB will win that game. I still think the Packers are the better team, I don't care much for stats, I find them to be misleading. But, I really think if these two teams meet in the NFC Championship, the Saints might present a greater challenge to the Packers than the SB itself.
     
  6. Forget Favre

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    Oh. I thought you were bragging.
    My bad.
     
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  7. Forget Favre

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    That's because he's not Tim Tebow or Aaron Rodgers.

    Before the season started I asked about elite quarterbacks and I wasn't sure if Drew Brees was for the reasons you mentioned.
    The majority thinks Drew Brees is elite.
    I suppose he is but can a qb keep on being thought of as elite if he doesn't win another super bowl?
     
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  8. Jules

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    I still kinda think at times this eerily reminds me of Pats/Colts 2004. Pats were defending champs and won a close SB opener to the Colts who could have even won the thing. Then the hot offensively loaded Colts went into Foxboro in January and got smashed. Not saying history repeats itself but it's an example that has stuck in the back of my mind at times this year.
     
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  9. ExpatPacker

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    That's not true anymore. In the first half of the season Rodgers was clearly the best and Packers were the defending SB champions. Then came Tebow. Brees' performance in the second half of the season has gotten him plenty of praise and attention.
     
  10. ExpatPacker

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    Of course. Dan Marino. Plus the fact is that Brees has won a SB already.
     
  11. bozz_2006

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    At this point what I see tipping the game the Packers way is the Saints D-line. Our offensive line has had to deal with two major injury losses the last 4-6 weeks. Newhouse and EDS have been holding it together, but barely. The fact that the Saints have such a poor pass rush is what could allow Aaron to dissect them.
     
  12. longtimefan

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    My dad can beat up your dad
     
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  13. Greenbayphil

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    Is brees the only qb we havent picked off this season?
     
  14. realcaliforniacheese

    realcaliforniacheese A-Rods Boss

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    I feel Giant's will be the biggest threat to us. If they come into lambeau with that D line healthy they could create all kinds of havoc in the backfield.
     
  15. PackersRS

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    I've been saying since preseason that the Saints are the 2nd best team in football.

    Couple of things.

    First, the one you mentioned, turnovers. It's HUGE. Our offense has always been very careful with the ball, yours seems to take better care of it this season, but our defense is the best I've ever seen at forcing turnovers, and the winner of the turnover battle usually ends up winning the game.

    And the second thing is homefield advantage. Yes, I do think that the crowd makes a difference, and I do think that the weather makes a difference in our favor (you do have a better running game, but Rodgers' arm is much better than Brees, we have the advantage in there. But it's not only the offense, our D plays better in bad weather than yours). But the real key in homefield advantage is the refs. The home team almost always ends up favored by calls.

    If we played at NO, you guys would be favored IMHO (not by much, I like our chances in domes). But at Lambeau, against our team, it'll be an uphill battle. Not saying it's a done deal, not even close, but we do have a better chance of winning.
     
  16. PackersRS

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    Yes. The Saints are the only team our D wasn't able to force 2 turnovers against (we forced only 1, a fumble).
     
  17. PackersRS

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    Only if we play a game as sloppy as that one at NY, with 5+ dropped passes and a terrible outing by the D. And even then, playing at Lambeau gives us the edge.

    I'm not concerned about NY one bit. Yes, they have a terrific DL, and Eli has become an elite QB. But he's still good for at least 2 WTF throws per game, and their secondary is still abysmal. I like our chances.
     
  18. realcaliforniacheese

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    Remember our whole attack is predicated on Aroge being upright. That D line was beat up when we played them. Granted we were sloppy but our O line is beat up and a healthy Giants D Line could bring our scoring machine to a halt.

    If we can nullify their pass rush then no worries.
     
  19. PackersRS

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    They were only missing Umenyiora, who IMHO is soft. JPP and Tuck are 10x better than him, and with Umenyiora their idiot DC would put JPP at DT, where he's not nearly as good. And, like you said, our OL was beat up. We figure to get Sitton back if not for Sunday against the Bears for certain. And Clifton has a good chance of coming back for the playoffs.

    And, again, playing at home, you can bet that almost any contact with Rodgers will result in a roughing the passer penalty. And with bad weather their rush gets slowed down, which means their CBs will have to hold up longer, and it'll be even worse for them, because they'll be slipping. People say that bad weather is worse for the O but McCarthy always say it's the opposite, because the offensive players know where they're going and they can set their balance properly. The bad thing for the O is throwing the ball, but Rodgers doesn't have a problem with grip and with arm strenght (another reason I LOVE our chances against the 49ers and their midget-handed QB).

    And also, if we catch at least 2 of those 5 drops, the game is not as close.
     
  20. ivo610

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    I remember people asking if we would better better off without home field advantage in the playoffs. I know we are good in a dome but going into the superdome during a playoff game? I'll pass.
     
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  21. realcaliforniacheese

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    Defiantly agree about the drops. there has been more than one game this season that several perfect throws were dropped that would have changed the game dramatically. Lions game is the first that comes to mind. Drop the easy catches and make the most acrobatic ones. what a bunch of highlight hounds.:D
     
  22. PackersRS

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    The only guy that is catching everything thrown at him is Jordy, who IMHO is currently the best receiver on our team and a top 3 WR in the league (http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/2011-season-receiving-plusminus)

    AAAND with that I just jinxed him. You can blame me for any drops he might have.
     
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  23. realcaliforniacheese

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    With Jennings out he is going to start drawing a lot of attention. We are going to get to see if he has to moves the next couple of weeks.
     
  24. CarolinaPackerFan

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    I agree with this post except unless the Saints get the 2nd seed, they might not make the NFCCG. If they have to travel to San Fran(Depending on the weather) then we might be facing the 49ers instead.
     
  25. PackPackPackers

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    God...stop trolling. Before you even talk about the Saints trying to beat the Packers, why don't you be more humble....

    Seriously, I am not even sure if the Saints can beat the 49ers...
     

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