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Coaches still in Bush's corner

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Heatherthepackgirl, Oct 2, 2007.

  1. Bertram

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    Why not compare Bush to Harris, did you forget that Harris was a 6th round pick, cut by the Bucs after training camp, would you have said the same at that time if I had compared Harris to a probowl caliber CB after his second year?

    They have similar feats, Bush is strong as a horse and pretty fast, but he doesn't always use his strength. He needs to be much more physical. The Chargers CB coach told his guys, during the game, to be much more aggressive on Bush (#24), just jack him up and push him back, this is where Bush has to improve. Bush needs to make his stand, be physical, use his strength and not give these receivers the leverage they need to make big plays.
     
  2. dhpackr

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    WTF????!!!!!!!!!!!
    just ignore my post.
    please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  3. dhpackr

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    OMG people threw a fit b/c i said do not compare harris to bush.
    wow!
    anyways. IMO harris is very , very strong. he shows it on nearly every play jamming players on the line.

    i do not like bush for the same reason the chargers coach told his WR to be physical with bush.
    i do not need a link to tell me so, i just watch the game and see bush being pushed around.

    if the weakest part of bush's game is being pushed around at the line of scrimmage, and that is Al's strongest part of his game, why compare the two.

    I know you got manypats on the back for your post, but i see things a little differently.

    i feel blackmon will emerge out of bush, dendy and will. if your opinion is different, cool.

    i thought we were going to talk football, but many want to continue petty arguments.

    sorry i said do not compare bush and AL. you are welcome to your thoughts.
     
  4. pack_in_black

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    Why? Isn't the point of giving your opinion, which you value so much, to have others hear it and digest it? I don't ignore anyone, cause then I miss the occasions that they actually make a good point and make me think a little more.

    Please, just stop attacking people and then accusing everyone of doing it to you.
     
  5. dhpackr

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    OK
     
  6. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    Thank you, I did not know that Harris was a 6th round pick and was drafted by the Bucs. I thought he was actually a early second day pick by the Eagles lol

    See this stuff is good. I like this.

    edit, no offense to you Bert, I trusted you but I wanted to come back and post proof of your statement for anyone who doubted it.
     
  7. Zero2Cool

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    For what its worth, here is what our coach has to say about the play.

    Rest of the quote is below...
     
  8. Bruce

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    This has gotten spicy -- I like it.

    Fans are too impatient at times with player development.

    Bigby is a great example. He is a tough, talented athlete who bounced around until he settled into a position and got an opportunity to show the talent he possesses.

    He was not drafted because of concerns about his mental health -- frankly it was cultural misunderstanding as a Jamaican Rastafarian he did not act like some coaches expected.

    Once the Packers started watching and listening to this kid they found a player with the heart of lion, who played fast and without fear. Will he make mistakes? Of course, but they will be mistakes of aggression and trying to make plays - not the mistakes based in fear or lacking physical skills.

    Is Bush being picked on?

    Of course Bush is the target -- what offensive coordinator would look at Harris, Woodson and Bush and not think Bush was the weakest link?

    Of course that is true of almost every nickel back, especially in the context of comparison to two solid veterans. It does not however mean that Bush is a weak CB or player

    Harris and Woodson also got beat and also drew penalties -- it goes with playing the position. Williamson had a step on Harris deep three times, but Holcomb's passes weren't quite on the money - yet no one has mentioned that, but instead highlight the play in which Bush got beat and Holcomb missed on the throw. Harris and Woodson drew multiple penalties, Bush drew none (a huge upgrade from previous nickel backs). Woodson's gambled and gave up a 40-yard post-corner completion to Wade after Charles undercut the route. Like I said it goes with the position.

    This coaching staff (to their credit) are pretty damned honest and direct with their players -- good and bad, sparing neither.

    Bush beat Blackmon, Walker, Williams and Dendy out for this spot. The coaching staff is pleased by his play and realize that sometimes a nickel back is going to get picked on and some times the defensive call is going to work against the DB.

    [​IMG]

    IMO that is what you are dismissing as "verbal back-patting."

    Bush is young and tough. He is better at press coverage than in space. What you get with Bush is a talent that keeps battling and makes receivers earn what they get.

    [​IMG]

    Does he have room for improvement? Of course, plenty of it.

    But much of what is directed at players by fans is at least partially guided by biases and lack of understanding of DB responsibilities in different defensive calls.

    The job is still Bush's for a reason.

    [​IMG]

    I hope Blackmon, Walker and Williams keep developing and pushing him. I have no stake in who eventually wins the job. I want all of these young guys to develop and progress. There may be times when they have to step up and produce when a starter goes down -- much like Bush did against Philly when Harris went down.
     
  9. millertime

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    i agree with bruce. bush has played 2 good games and two bad ones. over the season that's 8 good games if he doesn't improve. by comparison #28 played one good game in like 2 years. i'm not giving up on him yet.
     
  10. Packnic

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    this thread has gone ridiculously too far!...

    The coaches like Bush as the number 3 CB
    and most of us like Bush as the number 3 CB!

    and yet 300 of us are arguing with the one guy who hasnt made a true statement since he signed up for the forum. who cares what he thinks... until he says something that makes sense or is proven true.. hes just another guy.

    boggles the mind a little.
     
  11. pack_in_black

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    Yeah, isn't it mind-bottling?
     
  12. KGB94SACKEM

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    Dh has made TRUE statements. Just none you agree with
     
  13. Zero2Cool

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    Depends on your definition of true. IF you base it loosely, then yes, of course. But if you use the definition that most of us use, probably not.
     
  14. warhawk

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    The problem on this forum is there are guy here that look at things from a MICRO perspective.

    A guy makes three bad plays. Cut him. No matter he WON a game for us previously and shows a great upside. We're in the NOW baby.

    A draft pick hasn't yet made the impact. ****** pick.

    I can't wait to see what's written here when we lose a game but most certainly the sky will be falling.

    No matter that a loss would be ONE out of the last umpteen games. I am sure to read here that we are going down the tubes for sure.

    I, for one, figure the coaches have a good handle on which players to put on the field. After all, we watch them three hours a week and they have spent thousands of hours around these guys.

    If the coaches didn't think that Bush could overcome one rather poor performance and it was destined to continue over and over we already KNOW how they handle that.

    Just ask Ahmad Carroll.
     
  15. Packnic

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    are you inside my head? i feel like im insane at this place sometimes... the statements you just typed... are logic... freaking logic and somehow that gets over looked. keep fighting the good fight i guess.
     
  16. Packnic

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    ERRONEOUS, ERRONEOUS ON ALL ACCOUNTS!!!!

    please read Warhawks post... its exactly what Dh and a few others do. IF i watched the first 8 minutes of sundays game, and saw C-wood make like 8 mistakes (which werent anything to worry about, just our DBs showing that they play physical and tough)
    then i could say C-WOOD SUCKS and to me and my 8 minutes of knowledge..it would be true. But that doesnt make it true to the rest of the sane knowledgeable world.

    The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league sure... but its not a what have you done for me in the last 15 seconds league...
     
  17. KGB94SACKEM

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    I'm sorry, this is just not true. If you could get over your personal dislike for anyone who has ANYTHING negative to say about the Packers you could see that Dh makes some valid points. As soon as DH posts the same 3-4 guys fire back with some smartass comment. Then you guys go on a complaining parade and stalk every post he makes.

    He has a different view, get over it dude. He contributes just as much as anyone else until the same instigators go on the rampage about everything other than the topic with comments posted entirely to bait him. If you don't like it, ignore it, or debate reasonably. Thats the idea of a forum.
     
  18. Packnic

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    oddly enough KGB94SACKEM and Dhpackr both signed up on Sep. 14 dh in 2005 KGB in 2007... sep 14... a day which will live in infamy.

    coincidence... you tell me. can i get an IP check.

    and it has nothing to do with how much i dislike dhpacker... its just that he post almost all negative stuff. it boggles my mind. were 4-0 and he cant think of one good thing to say. and id hardly call that contributing ...

    he can hate the packers all he wants... but id like for him to post something that makes sense and has validity.
     
  19. KGB94SACKEM

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    I'm done with you, I must be DHPacker because of the date conspiracy. That you would even look at that says something.

    You are an instigator on this forum, hell, you just did it with me, cause I got tired of you, and others', grade school tactics.

    No need for further dialect, I would rather read something with substance
     
  20. tromadz

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    It says he's seen multiple people come back to the forum under new names after getting banned.

    Oh, is that not what you were saying?

    Let's try and get this back to Bush being awesome.
     
  21. KGB94SACKEM

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    bait away
     
  22. tromadz

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    No bait.

    You know what is bait? Letting opposing teams think Bush is the weak link when he's a talented guy. Watch Griese try and pick on Bush, and BOOM! Interception City!
     
  23. KGB94SACKEM

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    I hope you are right.
     
  24. dhpackr

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    i'm glad we got that straight

    eventually , i feel blackmon will not only beat out bush for a nickle position, but may someday challenge for a starting cb position

    if that makes me a crazed, witch, packer hating, liar then so be it!
     
  25. Zero2Cool

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    Consistency... still only spelled DePack fully and correctly ... cute
     

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