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[Dantés]

Post 'em, debate 'em, flame 'em.

These are mine. Just the guys I prefer most out of the group that I think could realistically be there at #29.

Round One, #29:

• T. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin
• K. King, CB, Washington
• F. Lamp, OL, W. Kentucky
• C. Awuzie, CB, Colorado
• T. Bowser, OLB, Houston
• J. Willis, OLB, KSU

Round Two, #61:

• D. Rivers, OLB, Youngstown
• A. Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
• T. Moton, OL, W. Michigan
• D. Feeney, G, Indiana
• C. Sutton, CB, Tennessee
• T. Hendrickson, OLB, FAU

Round Three, #93:

• V. Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
• J. McNichols, RB, Boise State
• M. Maye, S, Florida
• C. Hansen, WR, Cal
• H. Wilson, CB, Houston
• W. Holden, OL, Vanderbilt

Round Four, #134:

• C. Roullier, OL, Wyoming
• B. Hill, RB, Wyoming
• S. Perine, RB, Oklahoma
• D. Hill, S, Michigan
• S. Griffin, CB, UCF
• B. Hodges, WR, VTU

Round Five, #172, 182:

• J. Smith, TE, FAU
• J. Chesson, WR, Michigan
• R. Jenkins, S, Miami
• C. Clement, RB, Wisconsin
• C. Levin, OL, Chattanooga
• D. Cole, ILB, Miss. State

Round Six, #212:

• A. Jones, RB, UTEP
• M. Roberts, TE, Toledo
• N. Gerry, S, Wisconsin
• R. Davis, WR, Ga. State
• L. Myers, OL, NIU
• H. Langi, LB, BYU

Round Seven, #247:

• J. Eldrenkamp, G, Washington
• J. Carter, S, Miami
• B. Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
• M. Rector, WR, Stanford
• D. Daniels, TE, Washington
• E. Hood, RB, North Carolina

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Post 'em, debate 'em, flame 'em.

These are mine. Just the guys I prefer most out of the group that I think could realistically be there at #29.

Round One, #29:

• M. Humphrey, CB, Alabama
• T. Watt, OLB, Wisconsin
• F. Lamp, OL, W. Kentucky
• A. Jackson, CB, USC
• K. King, CB, Washington
• J. Willis, OLB, KSU

Round Two, #61:

• D. Rivers, OLB, Youngstown
• F. Moreau, CB, UCLA
• Z. Jones, WR, E. Carolina
• D. Feeney, G, Indiana
• C. Sutton, CB, Tennessee
• T. Moton, OL, W. Michigan

Round Three, #93:

• M. Maye, S, Florida
• J. McNichols, RB, Boise State
• C. Hansen, WR, Cal
• V. Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
• H. Wilson, CB, Houston
• W. Holden, OL, Vanderbilt

Round Four, #134:

• C. Roullier, OL, Wyoming
• B. Hill, RB, Wyoming
• S. Perine, RB, Oklahoma
• T. Taylor, WR, W. Kentucky
• D. Hill, S, Michigan
• S. Griffin, CB, UCF

Round Five, #172, 182:

• J. Smith, TE, FAU
• J. Chesson, WR, Michigan
• R. Jenkins, S, Miami
• C. Clement, RB, Wisconsin
• C. Levin, OL, Chattanooga
• D. Cole, ILB, Miss. State

Round Six, #212:

• A. Jones, RB, UTEP
• M. Roberts, TE, Toledo
• N. Gerry, S, Wisconsin
• R. Davis, WR, Ga. State
• L. Myers, OL, NIU
• H. Langi, LB, BYU

Round Seven, #247:

• J. Eldrenkamp, G, Washington
• J. Carter, S, Miami
• B. Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
• M. Rector, WR, Stanford
• D. Daniels, TE, Washington
• E. Hood, RB, North Carolina

Good list, thanks for sharing. I really like what I have seen of Chad Hansen, WR from Cal. I posted somewhere else that he reminds me a bit of Jordy when I see him on film. He won't be a season 1 starter, but I think a guy who could be really good in a few years.

I would stay away from Clement. As a devoted Badger fan, he never really impressed me. A lot of RB's look good with Wisconsin, because they have the advantage of the Badgers always having great offensive lines and then they fall flat in the NFL.

Nate Gerry, he is from Nebraska BTW Love the guy. Hard hitter, smart player and always hustling. Could be a late round gem that would be awesome on special teams and eventually take Hydes place in the secondary.

 

[Dantés]

Good list, thanks for sharing. I really like what I have seen of Chad Hansen, WR from Cal. I posted somewhere else that he reminds me a bit of Jordy when I see him on film. He won't be a season 1 starter, but I think a guy who could be really good in a few years.

I would stay away from Clement. As a devoted Badger fan, he never really impressed me. A lot of RB's look good with Wisconsin, because they have the advantage of the Badgers always having great offensive lines and then they fall flat in the NFL.

Nate Gerry, he is from Nebraska BTW Love the guy. Hard hitter, smart player and always hustling. Could be a late round gem that would be awesome on special teams and eventually take Hydes place in the secondary.

Any WR they take in this class is going to be 4th on the depth chart at best, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a later round consideration. But there are a number of guys I like at all levels.

I've read that Clement was kind of a head case at Wisconsin. And I absolutely agree that their offense can make backs look better than they actually are. However, there aren't many backs who fit what Thompson seems to covet in terms of athleticism. So if he doesn't take a guy early, I could see him targeting Clement due to the size and measurables. He would just be a committee back, and perhaps they could unlock something if they got him into the flow of a good lockerroom culture.

At his pro day, he turned in the following:

5'10" 220 lbs
4.59 forty
6.71 three cone
4.17 short shuttle
32" vertical
120" broad

Those are good numbers across the board, and the agility numbers are freakish for a 220 lb back. I'd rather have McNichols or Brian Hill earlier, but once you get into the later rounds you might as well swing for the fences. I won't be terribly surprised if RB isn't a priority and Ty Montgomery goes into the season as the main guy.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Clement was an instigator in a campus fight back in 2015, I think he was given 2 citations for the incident. He also had problems staying on the field due to injuries that year and a few times this past season. I was actually surprised when I saw his total yards for 2016, 1375 rushing yards, but only a 4.4 ave. He did put up some big numbers against decent teams this year; 164 yards against both Ohio State and Penn State. But struggled against Western Michigan, Northwestern and Michigan State, so who knows. He is also no James White catching the ball. I could be totally wrong about his Pro potential, but in the 4 years as a Badger, he never really made me say "Wow". He had a lot of hype coming in, took over when Gordon went pro and was just "meh" to me. I think his most impressive season was 2014. I am also a bit leary of Wisconsin Running backs being successful in the NFL, the great offensive lines the Badgers seem to assemble every year, definitely make them look better than they might be.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A Badger to keep your eye on for the 2018 draft is Troy Fumagalli, TE. You might look at his 2016 stats:
47 catches 580 yds, 12.3 yds./catch, 2 TD's and not blink, but this guy goes up and catches everything thrown at him. He is 6' 6", 250 lbs. Probably won't light up the 40, but gets open, hard hitting, sure hands and a total gamer.

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[Dantés]

Clement was an instigator in a campus fight back in 2015, I think he was given 2 citations for the incident. He also had problems staying on the field due to injuries that year and a few times this past season. I was actually surprised when I saw his total yards for 2016, 1375 rushing yards, but only a 4.4 ave. He did put up some big numbers against decent teams this year; 164 yards against both Ohio State and Penn State. But struggled against Western Michigan, Northwestern and Michigan State, so who knows. He is also no James White catching the ball. I could be totally wrong about his Pro potential, but in the 4 years as a Badger, he never really made me say "Wow". He had a lot of hype coming in, took over when Gordon went pro and was just "meh" to me. I think his most impressive season was 2014. I am also a bit leary of Wisconsin Running backs being successful in the NFL, the great offensive lines the Badgers seem to assemble every year, definitely make them look better than they might be.

I totally respect your take on him as someone who has watched him quite a bit and followed him closely. I do agree that he seems like a bit of a questionable character and someone who didn't make good on potential the way he should have. But for me, when it comes to later rounds I want my team to draft athletic traits and see if they can develop them. I'd rather see what's there with Clement than take a guy with better production by below average athleticism like a Jamaal Williams. That's just my preference.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I totally respect your take on him as someone who has watched him quite a bit and followed him closely. I do agree that he seems like a bit of a questionable character and someone who didn't make good on potential the way he should have. But for me, when it comes to later rounds I want my team to draft athletic traits and see if they can develop them. I'd rather see what's there with Clement than take a guy with better production by below average athleticism like a Jamaal Williams. That's just my preference.

Sadly, the guy has the athletic ability to be great, which was probably why a lot of Badger fans were disappointed in him. He also suffered a hand injury when punching someone in an elevator, and he lied to coaches and university staff about the incident initially.

"Scouts have labeled him "entitled" and question his football character and leadership. Had 2015 season washed away due to injury, attitude and an off-field incident."

"He checked out mentally on the entire 2015 season and wasn't very well liked inside that program. Then you add durability concerns and that's a problem." -- NFC North scout

The more I read about him, the more I don't like. Great athlete but questionable character, which in today's NFL doesn't keep you around very long. I normally love my Badger players, even to an admitted bias fault, but I think he would be a major dice roll.

Now TJ Watt and Vince Biegel....I love. Watt we already know about and he is someone I would love to see in GB, but at #29.....questionable. Would love to see him still there, trade back 4-6 spots and grab him at 33 or 34 and get that extra 4th round pick in the process.

Biegel has a ton of potential, but he needs a year in the weight room. A lot like Watt with instincts, loves to hit and has a high motor.

 

[PikeBadger]

Sadly, the guy has the athletic ability to be great, which was probably why a lot of Badger fans were disappointed in him. He also suffered a hand injury when punching someone in an elevator, and he lied to coaches and university staff about the incident initially.

"Scouts have labeled him "entitled" and question his football character and leadership. Had 2015 season washed away due to injury, attitude and an off-field incident."

"He checked out mentally on the entire 2015 season and wasn't very well liked inside that program. Then you add durability concerns and that's a problem." -- NFC North scout

The more I read about him, the more I don't like. Great athlete but questionable character, which in today's NFL doesn't keep you around very long. I normally love my Badger players, even to an admitted bias fault, but I think he would be a major dice roll.

Now TJ Watt and Vince Biegel....I love. Watt we already know about and he is someone I would love to see in GB, but at #29.....questionable. Would love to see him still there, trade back 4-6 spots and grab him at 33 or 34 and get that extra 4th round pick in the process.

Biegel has a ton of potential, but he needs a year in the weight room. A lot like Watt with instincts, loves to hit and has a high motor.

Not a fan of Clement at all. I doubt that either he or Ramczyk are on Thompson's board at all. I think Watt is likely to be drafted in the first half of the 2nd round. I've got mixed feelings on Biegel. I don't see the Packers drafting him. I think it's very possible the Packers would sign Ogunbawale as a UDFA.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not a fan of Clement at all. I doubt that either he or Ramczyk are on Thompson's board at all. I think Watt is likely to be drafted in the first half of the 2nd round. I've got mixed feelings on Biegel. I don't see the Packers drafting him. I think it's very possible the Packers would sign Ogunbawale as a UDFA.

Ramczyk will be a solid Pro and off the board by the time the Packers are picking in round #1, but even if he did fall...we don't need a 4th OT. I agree with you that Watt will be around until at least the top of the 2nd. If the Packers REALLY like him, it would be nice to trade back with someone at the top of the 2nd round, grab TJ and pick up an extra 4th round in the process. Biegel doesn't have Watt's Pedigree, but plays just as hard and seems to have really good field awareness. However, he needs to hit the weight room and learn some better rush techniques, I doubt the Packers want another OLB 2-3 year project, unless he is still on the board in the 6th. Dare Ogunbowale would be a nice UDFA, he works hard but not sure he will ever make it in the NFL. If he does, he would make a good 3rd down back, strong pass blocker and he can catch out of the backfield.

 

[PikeBadger]

Ramczyk will be a solid Pro and off the board by the time the Packers are picking in round #1, but even if he did fall...we don't need a 4th OT. I agree with you that Watt will be around until at least the top of the 2nd. If the Packers REALLY like him, it would be nice to trade back with someone at the top of the 2nd round, grab TJ and pick up an extra 4th round in the process. Biegel doesn't have Watt's Pedigree, but plays just as hard and seems to have really good field awareness. However, he needs to hit the weight room and learn some better rush techniques, I doubt the Packers want another OLB 2-3 year project, unless he is still on the board in the 6th. Dare Ogunbowale would be a nice UDFA, he works hard but not sure he will ever make it in the NFL. If he does, he would make a good 3rd down back, strong pass blocker and he can catch out of the backfield.

I think in most draft years, Ramczyk is a 2nd round prospect. Ogunbowale is an overachiever that I think has a good chance of catching on with the right team as an emergency back at first and possibly later as a passing team's third down specialist type of back. He's a coaches dream imo that they'd like having in their locker room and provides value in certain roles.

 

[Dantés]

I think you guys are really underestimating the athleticism of both of those OLB prospects.

Watt is a total freak show. He's young in the game, but we're picking at #29. If he was developed AND had that athleticism, we would never even sniff him at #29. We may still miss out.

His sparq score is in the 93rd% for NFL edge prospects. His forty was in the 83rd%, his vertical was in the 87th%, his broad jump was in the 96th%, his three cone was in the 98th%, his short shuttle was in the 94th%, and his long shuttle was in the 99th%. Since 1999, there have been 6 dudes to be at least 245 lbs, with at least a 125" broad jump, and at least a 6.9 3 cone. Von Miller, Connor Barwin, and Devin Taylor were the previous three and now T.J. Watt, Tyus Bowser, and Jordan Willis are added to the mix.

This is incredibly rare athleticism. From 1999 until 2016, we were averaging one of these kinds of athletes every 6 years. Now there are three dudes that fit the criteria in one draft-- I really, really want one.

Additionally, this is not merely a workout warrior. He had 15.5 TFL, 11.5 sacks, 13 Hurries, 4 PBU's, 2 FF's, and a pick 6. And despite being raw, he demonstrates some refinement. He uses his hands well. He's explosive. He can bend.

The one real knock is that he has just the one year of good play. But I think that's the only reason he's an option.

Biegel, on the other hand, is more of a refined pass rusher and has more of a history of production while still being a really good athlete. 86th% forty, 56th% vert, 69th% broad, 90th% three cone, and 78th% three cone. I agree he needs to add size, but he's a nice prospect. His stats in 2016 were a let down, but that shouldn't cancel the fact that he's been productive for a long time.

2016: 6 TFL, 4 sacks, 7 Hurries, 1 PBU, 1 FF
2015: 14 TFL, 8 sacks, 8 Hurries
2014: 16.5 TFL, 7.5 sacks, 4 Hurries, 2 PBU's, 2 FF's

At the end of the 3rd round, I take that kind of an athlete with that history of production all day long.

 

[Dantés]

Since 1999, here are the edge prospects who have run a 6.92 three cone or better and were considered good enough football players to be drafted:

-Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, 2000 (6.90)
-Kyle Vanden Bosch, 2001 (6.82)
-Demarcus Ware, 2005 (6.85)
-Manny Lawson, 2006 (6.90)
-Brian Robison, 2007 (6.89)
-Cliff Avril, 2008 (6.90)
-Connor Barwin, 2009 (6.87)
-Clay Matthews, 2009 (6.90)
-Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, 2010 (6.91)
-J.J. Watt, 2011 (6.88)
-Sam Acho, 2011 (6.69)
-Von Miller, 2011 (6.70)
-Jake Bequette, 2012 (6.90)
-Vinny Curry, 2012 (6.90)
-Melvin Ingram, 2012 (6.83)
-Bruce Irvin, 2012 (6.70)
-Devin Taylor, 2013 (6.89)
-Michael Buchanan, 2013 (6.91)
-Barkevious Mingo, 2013 (6.84)
-Kony Ealy, 2014 (6.83)
-Trent Murphy, 2014 (6.78)
-Anthony Barr, 2014 (6.82)
-Vic Beasley, 2015 (6.91)
-Joey Bosa, 2016 (6.89)

Just drink that in... that drill has meaning.

 

[Dantés]

Here's my final wish list from the names that I think have a good chance of being there at our picks. Obviously falling talent will always change things. These are in no particular order.

Pick #29:

• Forrest Lamp, OL, WKU: I view Lamp as both a high floor and high ceiling prospect who would only fall due to positional value. Said value is certainly a factor, however if there is a run on corners and pass rushers, I think you take the stud here and move on rather than reach just to say you addressed a given spot. He could start right away, I would expect a high level of performance as a rookie, and I don't think All-Pro is out of the question for his ceiling.
• Malik McDowell, DL, MSU: This hinges totally on the staff's opinion of his personal character as there are red flags in that regard. However, if they believe they can get the best out of him (and if they're right), this could be the steal of the draft. When he wants to be, McDowell is the 2nd best prospect in this draft. I really believe that. He isn't the OLB that people have in mind, but he is a pass rusher. Compares to Deforest Buckner on his good days.
• T.J. Watt, EDGE, WISC: Simply put, Watt is a freak show. He's off the charts athletically, still growing into his frame, and has so much room to develop under coaching. Taking a player of his profile is the best way I can see for the Packers to land a game changing defender while picking this late all the time. History of some knee injuries that the team will need to vet and weigh. For the record, I'm not a Badger fan. For similar reasons, I'm also fond of Tyus Bowser and Jordan Willis.
• Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC: I don't think Ted will rate Jackson very highly because of his height, but I think that's a mistake. He's short, and he needs refinement in his coverage technique. That said, he's a great athlete, he's got great ball skills, he's dangerous after the pick, and he's a stellar return man. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he accounts for 3-4 touchdowns as a rookie between ST and defense. If you follow the trajectory of his cover skills from '15 to '16, it's clear he's making rapid progress. Not having to worry about offense will help him to focus his development. Any corner you take at #29 is going to need development in coverage, so I would prefer the playmaker. I'm also interested in Kevin King and Chidobe Awuzie.

Pick #61:

• Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, COL: Witherspoon has clear weaknesses, but I see them as correctable. He isn't overly physical, but as he grows into his big frame I don't see why he shouldn't be able to at least get by. He's also young in the game and needs to be coached hard. But what he has, you can't teach. He's long, he's extremely athletic, and he's great with the ball in the air. He projects as a great boundary corner who can match up against size.
• Derek Rivers, EDGE, YSU: The only reason you'd land a pass rusher of Rivers' quality at the end of the second is because he's an FCS player. He may be gone regardless, but players with this type of explosion, flexibility, production and frame rarely make it out of round one. He's my top target if they don't take an edge in round one.
• Dan Feeney, G, Indiana: The Packers favor drafting tackles and converting them to guard, but Feeney is the rare interior prospect who hit the athletic criteria that they typically target. For that reason, I could see him being a fit despite being a college guard. He's a good run blocker with all the tools to be great in pass pro under the Packers' coaching.
• Chris Wormley, DL, Michigan: Wormley doesn't fit the biggest need with Lowry drafted last year, but he's an exceptional prospect who should be considered if the other targets are off the board. He can play effectively anywhere from the 6i to the 1 in my opinion, so you could work other players around him.
• Chris Godwin, WR, Penn State: This is another position that isn't as high priority as others, but they should be ready to draft value if there are runs at other spots. Godwin is a beast down the field with the ball in the air and he has all the tools to become a more complete receiver. GB has to start thinking about life post-Jordy at some point.
• Marcus Maye, S, Florida: With Burnett probably walking after this season, I wouldn't be shocked to see a safety drafted at some point. Maye is a top 50 player in most drafts, but his position is deep. This is sooner than I'd like to spend a pick on an heir apparent, but the value is nice if he's the guy who falls.

Pick #93:

• Chad Hansen, WR, Cal: The 3rd round seems like a great spot to find a receiver. There are several good prospects, and one should fall to the end of the round. Hansen and Josh Reynolds would be my prime targets. Hansen's ball skills are impressive down the field. He needs to be groomed in a pro system, but his speed and change of direction should make him a fine route runner with a complete tree. And he's actually dangerous after the catch as well.
• Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF: Ideally, they'll take a corner sooner than this, but if the board dictates otherwise, a prospect like Griffin would be some consollation. Great athlete with excellent size. His play was strong at times, but inconsistency dogged him occasionally. Cam Sutton isn't the same type of athlete, but is probably more capable of helping early.
• Vince Biegel, EDGE, Wisconsin: The *other* Wisconsin pass rusher, Biegel doesn't get enough credit for his athleticism. Furthermore, his injury plagued 2016 season causes people to forget about how productive he was in previous seasons.

Pick #134:

• B. Hill, RB, Wyoming
• S. Perine, RB, Oklahoma
• C. Roullier, OL, Wyoming
• D. Hill, S, Michigan
• R. Jenkins, S, Miami

Pick #'s 172, 182:

• J. Chesson, WR, Michigan
• C. Clement, RB, Wisconsin
• C. Levin, OL, Chattanooga
• N. Gerry, S, Nebraska
• J. Smith, TE, FAU
• H. Langi, LB, BYU

I'll stop there as it becomes so difficult to even know who may or may not be an option.

 

[AmishMafia]

I think you guys are really underestimating the athleticism of both of those OLB prospects.

Watt is a total freak show. He's young in the game, but we're picking at #29. If he was developed AND had that athleticism, we would never even sniff him at #29. We may still miss out.

One of the big things for me about Watt, he has only been on defense for 18 months. Prior to that, he was a TE. He is just starting to develop his defensive skills and understanding of defensive scheme/principles. Couple that woth his non-stop motor and high work ethic, he has a tremendous upside.

 

[Dantés]

One of the big things for me about Watt, he has only been on defense for 18 months. Prior to that, he was a TE. He is just starting to develop his defensive skills and understanding of defensive scheme/principles. He has a tremendous upside.

And for all that, he flashes some pretty sophisticated pass rush techniques.

 

[brandon2348]

Here are mine.

1st Round

Joe Mixon, Yes, I know the video is disgusting and I believe some will never forgive him. That's fine. We're not picking someone for the "Nobel Peace Prize". If all indicators other then the "incident" point to Mixon being a decent kid they should take him. I have read where some scouts have him the best player in the whole draft. He is Adrian Peterson with hands. You put this guy in our offense and I don't see how anyone can stop us.

2. Tre'Davious White, He looks the part of a what Packers like in a corner all the way. 47 career starts in the tough SEC conference and the ability to play man to man on the outside. Smooth hips and all the athleticism to go with. Has plenty of nice production. I think he can come in and make an impact right away.

Charles Harris, Let's go with some more production and get "on tape" the best edge rusher in the draft. Don't get fooled by the "combine junkies" here as Harris has the athleticism to play in the NFL and dominated in college against top tier competition. With one of the quickest first steps I've ever seen and an array of pass rushing moves he will most likely be a 10-14 sack player and will add pass rush to the Packers immediately.

Round 2

Fabian Moreau, the more I study this guy the more I like him. He has all the intangibles and athleticism needed to be a great cover corner. Very Very fluid player with smooth hips and has deep speed to keep up with NFL no.1's. He will need a little work on ball skills and sometimes tracking ball. Overall a lot to work with here.

Zay Jones, TT loves production and Jones is "all production". He fits perfectly into what Packers like at receiver and has all the numbers to back it up. Great senior bowl where he dominated competing talent all over the field. Stood out like he was playing at a different level then the others. Sign me up.

Tyus Bowser, If Packer address corner or RB in the 1st round and Bowser is sitting available here in 2nd then take a shot on him. He has some big upside but also could go bust. Nothing special with his college production which scares me but does have high ceiling here. I see him as an eventual Bruce Irvin type player.

Round 3

Marlon Mack, if Mixon is too steep of a gamble by Packers personnel then Mack is next up as far as value in the 3rd. Has great production at South Florida to go along with good combine. Can catch ball out of backfield and has home run hitting capabilities from anywhere on the field. He could help take load off Montgomery in season 1.

Carlos Henderson, This guy is a blur on the field and he can make yards after catch. Once again big college production what Thompson likes to draft.

Demontae Kazee, I think he could probably come in and give Rollins competition day 1 for slot play. Really quick guy in and out of cuts. Has all the necessary tools to be a good slot corner in the NFL.

4-5th round guys.

Vincent Taylor
Kyle Kalis
Duwane Smoot
Jalen Myrick
Vince Biegel
Taywan Taylor
KD Cannon

 

[PikeBadger]

And for all that, he flashes some pretty sophisticated pass rush techniques.

And..... he also has the good fortune of having an in-family mentor and skills coach.

 

[Dantés]

And..... he also has the good fortune of having an in-family mentor and skills coach.

You mean Derek?

 

[PikeBadger]

You mean Derek?

Good guess. Or not.