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Cheers or jeers?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by IPBprez, Jan 16, 2006.

  1. IPBprez

    IPBprez Cheesehead

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    Posted Jan. 15, 2006
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    Chris Havel

    Cheers or jeers? GM celebrates (first) year on job

    Ted Thompson observed his one-year anniversary on Saturday.

    Whether he deserved to do so with a moment of silence or a full-blown celebration depends on whom you talk to. Mike Sherman supporters would have you believe that Thompson’s arrival hastened the team’s unraveling. Others would suggest the general manager spent the year cleaning up his predecessor’s mess.

    The truth lies closer to the latter.

    Are the Packers in better shape today than they were when Thompson was hired? Yes and no. Serious injuries to Javon Walker and Ahman Green were a factor in the team’s miserable 4-12 season, and they remain a concern.

    Walker’s game-breaking ability was impossible to replace. Green’s breakaway speed and toughness between the tackles was unique. If either or both fail to make complete recoveries, it is that many more holes the GM has to fill on a lengthy list.

    Needs are many

    It could be argued the Packers are worse at every position — save tight end and defensive line — than they were a year ago. The notion that Thompson and new coach Mike McCarthy can transform the Packers into a playoff contender between now and training camp seems unrealistic.

    It is possible, but the margin for error is almost non-existent. The team’s needs include a receiver, a running back, two interior offensive linemen, a defensive lineman, a linebacker, a cornerback, a safety and a return specialist. They also need a punter, a head-hunter on special teams and perhaps a kicker.

    If Brett Favre retires — and it seems more likely each day — the Packers are going to need a veteran quarterback to back up Aaron Rodgers. In short, Thompson can draft the best available player because odds are, it fills a need.

    Sherman inherited more talent in 2000 and still needed to win six of the final eight games to finish 9-7. McCarthy has a chance to equal or exceed that record, but only if Favre and defensive coordinator Jim Bates come back. Even then, it seems like a reach given Thompson’s irritating comparison of free agency to dangerous, uncharted waters. The draft is more of a crapshoot because teams are forced to project college players’ performance in the NFL. In free agency, the players’ performance is there for everyone to gauge.

    Heading downhill?

    Thompson is fond of saying he intends to acquire “Packers-type playersâ€
     
  2. net

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    For once, I think Havel is dead on.
     
  3. TOPackerFan

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    Feb 15, is the end of deer season in MS. One of Brett's brothers said that we should not expect to hear from him until then.
     
  4. P@ck66

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    Havel said...

    "Sherman inherited more talent in 2000 and still needed to win six of the final eight games to finish 9-7. McCarthy has a chance to equal or exceed that record, but only if Favre and defensive coordinator Jim Bates come back. Even then, it seems like a reach given Thompson’s irritating comparison of free agency to dangerous, uncharted waters. The draft is more of a crapshoot because teams are forced to project college players’ performance in the NFL. In free agency, the players’ performance is there for everyone to gauge."

    Interesting....

    This is why I hate the draft, and think people put too much emphasis on it...You don't know how a college player will pan out in the pros...there are many examples of highly projected wash-outs....

    I think TT's penchant for the draft is worrisome....

    Wolf was an agressive FA GM....
     
  5. TOPackerFan

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    The draft is how you beat the restrictions of the salary cap. Finding players in later rounds and having them play for less than market value under the terms of their first contract is really the only way to build a championship team because this way you have enough cap space to go and get those one or two players through FA (you usually end up overpaying for them which is why you need the cap space created by the underpaid players) that will put you over the hump.
     
  6. IPBprez

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    Agreed TOP - and then, we must never forget the ol' injury bug - which has hit Sherman several times with that FA trap.... remember Joe Johnson?

    I'd say Pack66 is half right - TT shouldn't gauge everything on the Draft...
    A diamond may show up in the FA area - giving some mediocre player athat second chance....
     
  7. HatestheEagles084

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    I agree, I appreciate what TT has done...I realize that we were fortunate to have the run we did from 01-04, in this new age teams making the playoffs four four straight years with 3 division titles is rare...seasons like this are necessary for success i believe, because it requires you to re-assess your team--the colts had a season like this i believe in 2003, and came back stronger than they ever were, the steelers, broncos both had "transition seasons"...last year Carolina had a season a lot like ours, injuries everywhere, fell way lower than expectations,

    The phrase I keep using is "Chop out the dead wood"--Cleditus Hunt, Joey Thomas, I believe Na'il Diggs is next, possibly (no, hopefully) Robert Ferguson--which hopefully leads to the re-signing of Rod Gardner

    We've got a lot of talent on offense, just hope we all come back healthy there next year. We've got a great defensive coordinator who can elevate the performance of what I still believe is "average" personell...if we fill in some holes on both sides of the ball, we can be a much more complete team than we were in some of the Sherman years

    Our special teams SUCKS, if Thompson is down to acquiring "Packer type" personell, he'll strengthen this unit so it is an advantage to us (FIELD POSITION) and not a liability anymore, we'll have a new coordinator, that's a start
     
  8. CaliforniaCheez

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    Here is a reporter attempting to treat the power structure(Ted Thompson) favorably in order to gain access. Ted Thompson is not open nor are his methods.

    Eventually reporters including this one will turn on Thompson because he is not more open. not in 2 weeks but maybe 2 years.

    Ted Thompson should reach out to Havel when Havel is presenting olive branches. There is a politics to this that will help the GM. We will see if he does.
     
  9. Anubis

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    My thoughts exactly, net.

    GO PACK!

    Robert C. Hedley
     
  10. yourout

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    Mistakes in the free agent market are far more costly than mistakes in the draft. And unless there is a player you are almost dead sure is a cant miss draft pick you don't trade up in the draft. Mid round draft gems are there if you look......you don't keep throwing them away.
     

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