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<blockquote data-quote="TJV" data-source="post: 358026" data-attributes="member: 4300"><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Aren’t wages, hours and benefits the most important issues to be bargained? And you are correct, that is different than what Walker proposes. Walker’s bill allows public unions to bargain wages within limits, but not benefits. Again, just like the vast majority of employees in this country. </span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">SpartaChris is correct, there is evidence of it posted on this thread. In addition, here's an Op Ed which recently appeared in the NY Times. While its author is a fellow at the Heritage foundation, would you agree the NY Times would not run if it contained an obvious error regarding a liberal icon? I think it is also instructive because it includes quotes from George Meany. Here’s an excerpt from the Op Ed titled, <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-blow-against-public-employees/fdr-warned-us-about-public-sector-unions" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: blue">Wisconsin</span></em></a><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-blow-against-public-employees/fdr-warned-us-about-public-sector-unions" target="_blank"><em><span style="color: blue">'s Blow to Union Power</span></em></a> and subtitled, <em>F.D.R. Warned Us</em>:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“'It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.'</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany - the former president of the A.F.L. - C.I.O - in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this 'unthinkable and intolerable'.”</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Later in the piece the author writes, “Governor Walker’s plan reasserts voter control over government policy. Voters’ elected representatives should decide how the government spends their taxes. More states should heed the A.F.L.-C.I.O. Executive Council’s 1959 advice: “In terms of accepted collective bargaining procedures, government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition Congress — a right available to every citizen.”</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer sums up the reason public unions should not be allowed to collectively bargain with governments as their private colleagues can. In an Op Ed titled, </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/24/AR2011022406520.html" target="_blank"><em>Rubicon: A river in Wisconsin</em></a>, he writes: “</span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In the private sector, the capitalist knows that when he negotiates with the union, if he gives away the store, he loses his shirt. In the public sector, the politicians who approve any deal have none of their own money at stake. On the contrary, the more favorably they dispose of union demands, the more likely they are to be the beneficiary of union largess in the next election. It's the perfect cozy setup."</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TJV, post: 358026, member: 4300"] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Aren’t wages, hours and benefits the most important issues to be bargained? And you are correct, that is different than what Walker proposes. Walker’s bill allows public unions to bargain wages within limits, but not benefits. Again, just like the vast majority of employees in this country. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]SpartaChris is correct, there is evidence of it posted on this thread. In addition, here's an Op Ed which recently appeared in the NY Times. While its author is a fellow at the Heritage foundation, would you agree the NY Times would not run if it contained an obvious error regarding a liberal icon? I think it is also instructive because it includes quotes from George Meany. Here’s an excerpt from the Op Ed titled, [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-blow-against-public-employees/fdr-warned-us-about-public-sector-unions"][I][COLOR=blue]Wisconsin[/COLOR][/I][/URL][URL="http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/18/the-first-blow-against-public-employees/fdr-warned-us-about-public-sector-unions"][I][COLOR=blue]'s Blow to Union Power[/COLOR][/I][/URL] and subtitled, [I]F.D.R. Warned Us[/I]:[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]“'It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.'[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]That wasn’t Newt Gingrich, or Ron Paul, or Ronald Reagan talking. That was George Meany - the former president of the A.F.L. - C.I.O - in 1955. Government unions are unremarkable today, but the labor movement once thought the idea absurd. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this 'unthinkable and intolerable'.”[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Later in the piece the author writes, “Governor Walker’s plan reasserts voter control over government policy. Voters’ elected representatives should decide how the government spends their taxes. More states should heed the A.F.L.-C.I.O. Executive Council’s 1959 advice: “In terms of accepted collective bargaining procedures, government workers have no right beyond the authority to petition Congress — a right available to every citizen.”[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer sums up the reason public unions should not be allowed to collectively bargain with governments as their private colleagues can. In an Op Ed titled, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/24/AR2011022406520.html"][I]Rubicon: A river in Wisconsin[/I][/URL], he writes: “[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]In the private sector, the capitalist knows that when he negotiates with the union, if he gives away the store, he loses his shirt. In the public sector, the politicians who approve any deal have none of their own money at stake. On the contrary, the more favorably they dispose of union demands, the more likely they are to be the beneficiary of union largess in the next election. It's the perfect cozy setup."[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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