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Charles Woodson and Wis. Protesters

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by JBlood, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. Kitten

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  2. Forget Favre

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    I dunno what it is or why but Walker has something against Wisconsin and her citizens.
    He's nothing but a mad power hungry dictator.
    1) He is trying to bust unions with this bill and take away worker's rights.
    2) Giving a free pass to his rich contributors by letting them build no bid power plants.
    3) His latest budget address is proposed to make massive cuts to education. Not just for school age children but for the technical colleges as well. (Guess he wants to get back at them since he didn't finish college. Passive aggressive much?)
    Facing cuts in state aid, MATC officials wonder how they'll pay to operate new buildings
    4)Making cuts to community recycling programs which could lead to increase levels in landfills. And that could mean more destructive methane gas.
    Wisconsin communities assess impact of state recycling cuts
    5) Witholding pay from state senators who are doing their jobs. Sure they left the state to block a bill, but that is doing their jobs. They are working for those who voted for them and to take away their pay is just wrong.
    (I'm proud to mention that one of those heros is my senator.)
    5) Closing down the capitol building which is illegal and unconstitutional. Not just on the state level, but now he is trying to take away the right to freedom of speech and assembly.
    It even got to the point where state assembly members actually moved their desks outside because their constituents were being denied access to meet them inside.
    Constitutionally questionable: DOA bars protesters from Capitol
    Walker Shuts Down Capital to Protesters
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd32hgd_GxA]YouTube - Dems asked to move desks back inside[/ame]
    And all the extra cops at the Capitol aren't needed. Instead they are just there as Walker's thugs and are costing more than 5 million. Now THAT is a real waste of tax payer money.
    Ex-DNR head: Show of force at Capitol is to 'intimidate people'
    And this is just the beginning.
    I'm afraid things are going to get much much worse for Wisconsin under our new Hitler wanna be.
    Walker doesn't care. Why would anyone support or agree with this loony? Do they not care as well?
     
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    @Forget Favre-

    I'm sorry, but your argument loses credibility when you start calling people "Hitler." You're no longer debating the merits of the situation. Instead you're resorting to personal attacks and name calling, which just undermine any argument you might try and make. You might consider editing your post and revising your post.

    Anyway, busting unions is a good thing. This fact has been proven to you time and time again. I strongly suggest you examine the mounds of evidence provided and re-think your position. This isn't an "Attack on working people," it's a salvation for tax payers.

    No, those Senators don't deserve to be paid. They abandoned their posts by fleeing the state. They shouldn't be paid to go on vacation.

    I'll agree with you on no-bid contracts. I hate when unions are automatically awarded them, so the same rule should apply for private businesses as well.

    If your state has as much waste as mine, massive cuts on education are necessary. There's just too much waste, and this should force them to figure out and pay for what's important first. Really, the education system needs an overhaul. They need to figure out what the minimum budget is to run successfully and work from there.

    I don't really care or know enough about the rest to make a comment, but the topics I just laid out to you make logical, rational sense.
     
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  5. LombardiChick

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    I think this will clear up your perception on this, Forget Favre - I just stumbled on it. This is part of an email sent to William Jacobson, an attorney who publishes the blog Legal Insurrection (you can see it yourself here), by Dane County Sheriff Dave Mahoney:

    What I get from this is that Sheriff Mahoney blames Grothman for the reaction of the protesters, which I would personally take issue with - but it would appear that none of this has anything at all to do with Governor Walker.
     
  6. greenandgold

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    So what did YOU do to stop him from getting elected?
     
  7. LombardiChick

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    A little more information on what's going on today:

    State wants court order to remove unauthorized people from Capitol

     
  8. ivo610

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    well someone clearly planted the ammo if its at 3 of the 4 main streets to the capital. Just makes you wonder who would do something like that and what motives they would have.
     
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    Well, I don't know about that, but it's alarming to the police chief. Organized labor is calling for more access, but it sounds like security is a real concern.

    It's not like people aren't being heard or anything. Why do they need more access? Why are they trying to legally force that? What do they want, or want to happen?

    In any case, mentally ill people in and around the building is probably not a good thing.

    There is also a report out there that the damage to the marble in the capitol could hit $7.5 million.
     
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    Heh. I thought that was going to be about the Milwaukee teachers demanding coverage for Viagra. (Note to self: read more carefully.)

    This means insurance companies could choose to cover it or not, right? They're currently required to cover it? I would guess that most of them would continue, at least on some plans.
     
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    well I dont think someone just happened to drop it out of the pocket at those random spots. I think its safe to say they wanted it to be found. People can make their own assumptions as to who did it with what purpose. I wouldnt be surprised if it was a teacher trying to threaten senators or someone trying to discredit the protests.
     
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    Thats the way I read it. I know at some point many did not and it was very expensive for families to pay out of pocket.

    I would rather they be required to cover it as I dont want anymore unplanned children running around wisconsin. That costs everyone way too much $.
     
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    It seems like a reasonable thing to cover to me, too, but I suppose I'd have to see the reasoning behind the various moves.

    Out here, the government required that mental health counseling (which can be very expensive) be covered by all insurance providers - so the providers came up with parameters that made it practically impossible to take advantage of the coverage. They raised the deductible on that portion of the coverage dramatically, then covered something like a fraction of six visits once the deductible was met. It was just ridiculous...so I don't know how effective the government mandates really are, in practice.
     
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    Family planning seems like a reasonable thing for insurance companies to cover too, but I dunno about FORCING them to do it. Seems to me businesses ought to be able to run in a manner of their choosing, so long as it's not illegal. Who knows, maybe someone can create a company that specifically handles family planning?
     
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  17. LombardiChick

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    Well, yes...if it's expensive for families to pay for, you'd have to imagine it's expensive for the companies to cover.

    I buy my own insurance, and naturally, the more you're willing to pay every month, the more you will get. Expensive plans (like the ones covering teachers) will cover a whole lot of things that I don't get.

    The money has to come from somewhere, after all.

    I agree with you regarding business - and in my prior post, you can see one problem with government trying to impose such things.
     
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    some stuff is insane. Like pre approving ambulance rides? But I think one of the keys to bringing costs down is limiting malpractice lawsuits.
     
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    This is a huge cost. Many unnecessary procedures are done every doctors visit to cover the providers liability.
     
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    That's a great point. As it stands now, doctors have no choice but to order a bunch of unneeded and unnecessary tests, just so they can cover their asses and prevent themselves from being sued. Tort reform alone would lower the costs of health insurance significantly, to the point where it would be more affordable for those who want it.
     
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    Tort reform is a significant cost, no question about it. Another way to lower health insurance premiums IMO is to allow people to purchase health insurance over state lines. I can purchase my auto and homeowners insurance from nearly any insurer in the country, why not health insurance? The creation of large pools of potential insureds also lowers costs: The essence of insurance is shared risk and the larger the group, the better able insurance companies are to spread that risk. IMO another key to lowering the cost of health insurance is to allow the vast majority of people insured to have “skin in the game”. If the cost of health care doesn’t matter to most people receiving it we should not be surprised to see costs spiral out of control. If most people would be able to benefit by shopping for the most reasonably priced MRI, blood test, exam, surgery, etc., and have access to information about the comparative success rate of the medical professionals providing those services, I think that would put downward pressure on premiums. This is where health savings accounts come into play. BTW, HSAs are the only “cost” to taxpayers (in terms of reduced tax revenue because they are tax-advantaged) contained in any of these ideas. If those fortunate enough to experience good health and/or savvy enough to shop wisely for the health care they receive can benefit directly from those savings (by directing savings to future premiums, retirement accounts or even to pay the income taxes due and spend the savings), that too would put downward pressure on costs and premiums.

    But controlling health care costs and premiums is a difficult issue. For example, we spend a huge amount on end of life care but the moral and ethical issues in controlling those costs are significant. And every new costly medical advance posses the same issue of who should be its beneficiary.
     
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    That said, while I'll fully admit I don't know what they're arguing about, and nor do I care, I have no issue with people protesting. However, I do take exception to the congress people who skipped town in attempt to avoid a vote. I think that's a bush league move, and if I were a tax payer in the state of Wisconsin, I would demand they be investigated to see if any of my money was used to fund their little vacation.

    I also think every single teacher who walked off the job and encouraged their students to skip school and join them should be immediately terminated. You should not be allowed to just walk off the job and expect to keep it. It's disruptive, counter productive and is detrimental to their students.
     
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    Coulnt be any more clear or true
     
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    I'm more interested in what Woodson will say to Obama during a certain White House visit that's sure to be due.
     
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    I wasn't looking to jump into the healthcare debate in this thread, but the points you just laid out are exactly why I opposed Obamacare. I feel there's a market waiting to be created for health care insurance akin to what we have with car insurance, and think we should try that first before raising taxes on people to pay for a health care system that really doesn't work that well.
     

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