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Can the O-Line really get the job done ?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by I_am_smoked_cheddar, Jul 30, 2013.

  1. profile_removed

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    My thought is this: I think we have the answer on the roster, we just can't get him on the field. I think in a perfect world Bulaga by now would've been playing RT, with Newhouse as a primary backup, and Sherrod would've been the blindside starter. Now with a broken leg that's taking 2 years to heal I'm not so sure. I like Baktiari on the left, even if Aaron doesn't, cause I think he can play, I'm just not sure what we're gonna do at RT. I'm not sure Barclay has the beef to be an exterior lineman. Could we move Lang again, and move Barclay inside?
     
  2. Harrison McCaslin

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    Bakhtiari is the answer. That kid can play some football. He looked incredible vs AZ, and he is a great addition to our line. I'm willing to bet he takes bulaga's spot on the line next season. Barclay, Newhouse, and Deitrich-Smith are all amazing O-Linemen
     
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    Don't remember AR not liking Bak... Beef isn't Barclay's problem, feet is. Lang has already changed his body type into that of a Guard, he's unsuitable to play Tackle now.
     
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    I want McCarthy to stop plugging Barclay in at a different position everyday. I wish he'd just let him battle for the RT job with Newhouse (who has shown little to no improvement since last year.)

    Barclay has done good when he's been played at RT, but he's also had to fill in for every single position on the line as well I believe.
     
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    Barclay did just as well at Guard and his skillset fits there better. It was Center where he flopped because he can't snap the ball. He's about to beat Newhouse for the RT job though.
     
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    Colledge and Guacamole are starters in the NFL. Jamon Meredith started 12 games at tackle for Tampa last year. Spitz and Schladeraff are still in the NFL, but haven't played much. Spitz is on injured reserve this year for Jacksonville. Tony Moll was a disaster who the coaches started at R tackle, was released, bounced around for a couple of years and hasn't played since 2011. The vast majority of TT's draftees are still in football--not stars, but good enough, which describes most offensive linemen. Also, the philosophy of having linemen play every position, rather than specialize in a single one, is questionable as far as I'm concerned. Specialization, in most every field, seems better. Of course, the philosophy has brought us one Championship, and may well bring another as long as Rogers stays on the field.
     
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    Yeah it's a good thing Rodgers got to specialize. He didn't even have to hold for field goals did he?
     
  8. I_am_smoked_cheddar

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    As I stated in this threads original post, the team needed to have a Plan B for the O-Line. They did and I'm glad they did ! With Bakhtiari at LT and Barclay at RT the O-line should, I believe, be a solid unit. Now, with a revived running attack can they move the opposing beef as well as protect our superstar QB. I hope that they will.
    Does anyone have knowledge about the College programs they were in ? Did they run, pass or both? Could say something about these players.
     
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    What you're saying sounds good on a forum, but in reality you can't have specialists because you don't dress 10 offensive linemen for each game. If they did dress that many guys, they could have a specialized LT, LG, C, RG, and RT available to combat any injuries. Until the roster size is increased, this will continue to be the case and linemen will need to know multiple positions in order to make the game day roster.
     
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    And really, part of what makes a specialist a successful specialist is how well he knows the things in his periphery. "Know what you're doing. Know what the guy next to you is doing." In many ways the quarterback, arguably the most highly specialized position in all of sports, is also the position with the greatest expectation of peripheral knowledge.
     
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    Get a new signature Bozz, this ain't workin so good anymore ! Specialization works best at key positions like QB, WR, RB, CB, or Kicker. Playing the O-Line is in itself a specialized position, yet at the top level, they have to be interchangeable to accommodate the constant state of change that often occurs due to injuries.
     
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    Bakhtiari was from Colorado, where it didn't matter because they sucked.
    Barclay was from West V, pass, pass, pass. Barclay is a great run blocker, and a bad pass blocker (he's improved since last year's "terrible at pass blocking") so there goes that the theory their schools say anything about them. Barclay bullied college rushers with his strength.
     
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    I'm not sure that Bozz has posted since Jennings became a free agent :D
     
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    AH! good catch.... it's the little details that always jump up and bite me in the ***...
     
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    I'll say this about our offensive line. It's no coincidence that Favre supposedly had a great pass blocking offensive line and threw a ton of interceptions. Vice versa with Rodgers getting a ton of sacks but virtually no interceptions. Rodgers holds onto the ball compared to where Favre would thread the needle a lot.

    Now I'm not saying that's the only equalizer between these offensive line groups, the first was definitely the better. But just another thing to look at when evaluating the lines play.

    I also think it's fair to say none of the recent offensive line members had as good of a running back to block for then Favre and his line did with Green. I like to think about this stuff before I criticize this damn unit that can't seem to get it all together.
     
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    I have a feeling the line will be adequate at pass protection and provide sub-par run blocking. In obvious running situations so far this preseason we have been terrible up front in providing push off the line of scrimmage. Sure we flipped our guards, but history tells us to expect more struggles for the o-line in providing holes in 2013!

    Lacy did great this evening with not a ton of help from his line. It is what it is as long as Campen is the line coach.

    The return of health by Quarless and possibly Sherrod this season should take a bit of pressure off the offensive line.
     
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    The average NFL team carries 9 offensive linemen. Borderline players are valuable on a roster if they can play multiple positions, but not as a starter. Every baseball team has a couple of utility infielders for that reason. You depend on your starters to be very, very good at a single position, which becomes very difficult when they're expected to be guards, tackles and centers all at once.
     
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    Favre threaded the needle a lot to the opposing team, that cost us a chance at a couple of Championships.

    I think it's fair to say that the offensive line performance has declined since Joe Philbin left. He was first an offensive line coach, and second the offensive coordinator. I believe it was he who schooled the o-line after the loss to the Lions in 2010 which many of us thought was the end of the line (no pun intended) for a playoff spot. From that point on, the line played very well to the Championship. I don't think Campen has that same ability. I wish I were wrong.
     
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    I agree about Favre but I’m not so sure about Philbin. My point throughout Campen’s tenure has been first he’s not responsible for the ZBS and second, we as fans just don’t know how the interactions and responsibilities work among McCarthy’s staff. I don’t remember reading Philbin took over OL responsibilities.
     
  23. I_am_smoked_cheddar

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    The Seahawks will test the O-Line like they need to be tested to be ready for the 49ers. They will need to be at their best.
     
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    I feel this whole discussion can be best summed up this way:

    Can the O-Line be improved? Yes, I think we all agree it can, and I think we would all love to see improvement. How to implement said improvement is well beyond the scope of anyone on this forum, however.

    Do we need an elite O-Line to win? Obviously not, because we still seem to succeed, regardless of how swiss our cheesy line is.

    Look, I hate seeing Rodgers take sack after sack as much as the next guy, and I believe part of that is on him, and part of it is on the line. That said, I'd much rather he take a sack than throw a pick, because while sacks will set you back, turnovers will lose games.
     
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    All true...... but that's just the pass blocking.
    Their run-blocking is worse.
    It's so rare for there to be an actual hole.
    And even rarer for that and an OLman to get to the 2nd level.

    Eddie Lacy is going to be so homesick of what he used to have.... he had the biggest holes at Bama, now he'll see the smallest holes. Like the size of a tooth pick.
     
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