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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 763574">If a player in control of the football loses control by contact with the ground without having been contacted by a defender, that is a fumble.  "Fall down and go boom" just doesn't happen very often.The exception is when a runner in the broadest sense of the term penetrates the goal line with the football.  As soon as that happens, the play is over, its a TD, and what happens next does not matter.  Again, with the James no-catch, control-to-the-ground was not the issue; the issue was whether he first established himself as a runner.  Had he been ruled to be a runner, then losing the ball on a contact with the ground would be irrelevant since he penetrated the goal line with the ball before losing control.</blockquote>

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