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<blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1094982" data-attributes="member: 17987"><p>Regarding our "slow integration" of some draft picks, I'm just throwing this out there as food for thought but could it also be the case that some of these players may be getting worked in slowly...but also aren't exactly "imposing themselves" either? We can say that we like to work in rookies slowly to get them up to speed...but at the same time if we draft LVN and he hits the ground running looking like Aidan Hutchinson, you can bet that he would get worked in MUCH more quickly and nobody would be saying "we need to give him more time, work him in slowly, let him learn the system and the pace of the pros" or any of that. If Golden comes in here and is looking like Stefon Diggs, we are probably finding him a way to get him more reps/targets. </p><p></p><p>Of course these are exaggerated examples, and it's not even to disparage those guys, but I guess my point is that I think sometimes "Green Bay likes to work in rookies slowly" can end up (intentionally or not) being a bit of a shield to deflect criticisms from younger draft picks that may just not be that impressive of a player. Certainly not in every case, but I think it IS the case sometimes. It seems like we like to point to the extremely-rare examples of guys like Rodgers and Love and try to apply that logic to just about every high draft pick - work them in nice and slow, let them take a few years to learn the game, the system, and then they will be ready to step in and produce once given the opportunities. </p><p></p><p>Maybe that works out some of the time, but a lot of the time that "slow ramp up" seems to never actually lead to much of anywhere. Then we look at underwhelming draft picks who haven't panned out as hoped or made good on their potential and just spend 3 years saying how we like to be extra patient with young players...</p><p></p><p>I guess what I'm getting at, the long and short of it....is that it's easy enough to say "we like to be patient with our rookies and work them in slowly" when we aren't exactly drafting rookies who are "forcing our hands" either. That kind of philosophy is rarely getting tested. It's one thing to be slow and patient with a player who obviously DOES seem to need time to get acclimated. It's another thing to try and maintain that "slow integration" philosophy when you draft a player who is ready to make an immediate impact and their play demands more minutes/snaps/etc. </p><p></p><p>But, like I said, just food for thought. I don't disagree in principle, I think we just kind of tend to wear out that theory a bit here and there</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magooch, post: 1094982, member: 17987"] Regarding our "slow integration" of some draft picks, I'm just throwing this out there as food for thought but could it also be the case that some of these players may be getting worked in slowly...but also aren't exactly "imposing themselves" either? We can say that we like to work in rookies slowly to get them up to speed...but at the same time if we draft LVN and he hits the ground running looking like Aidan Hutchinson, you can bet that he would get worked in MUCH more quickly and nobody would be saying "we need to give him more time, work him in slowly, let him learn the system and the pace of the pros" or any of that. If Golden comes in here and is looking like Stefon Diggs, we are probably finding him a way to get him more reps/targets. Of course these are exaggerated examples, and it's not even to disparage those guys, but I guess my point is that I think sometimes "Green Bay likes to work in rookies slowly" can end up (intentionally or not) being a bit of a shield to deflect criticisms from younger draft picks that may just not be that impressive of a player. Certainly not in every case, but I think it IS the case sometimes. It seems like we like to point to the extremely-rare examples of guys like Rodgers and Love and try to apply that logic to just about every high draft pick - work them in nice and slow, let them take a few years to learn the game, the system, and then they will be ready to step in and produce once given the opportunities. Maybe that works out some of the time, but a lot of the time that "slow ramp up" seems to never actually lead to much of anywhere. Then we look at underwhelming draft picks who haven't panned out as hoped or made good on their potential and just spend 3 years saying how we like to be extra patient with young players... I guess what I'm getting at, the long and short of it....is that it's easy enough to say "we like to be patient with our rookies and work them in slowly" when we aren't exactly drafting rookies who are "forcing our hands" either. That kind of philosophy is rarely getting tested. It's one thing to be slow and patient with a player who obviously DOES seem to need time to get acclimated. It's another thing to try and maintain that "slow integration" philosophy when you draft a player who is ready to make an immediate impact and their play demands more minutes/snaps/etc. But, like I said, just food for thought. I don't disagree in principle, I think we just kind of tend to wear out that theory a bit here and there [/QUOTE]
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