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<blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 1093029" data-attributes="member: 6578"><p>Yeah I remember that but no clue where...I might be able to pull it together in an advanced search.</p><p></p><p>Gute has been fantastic, and often I think folks bring forth a few main things when criticizing him:</p><p></p><p>- No Super Bowl</p><p>- First Round Pick Critics</p><p>- Third Round Picks specifically</p><p></p><p>I've debunked all of these to a point, but also provided measured justification for critique as well in each. Very briefly...</p><p></p><p><strong>Super Bowl thing</strong>....IT ISN'T AS EASY TO WIN AS MOST FANS IMPLY. Yes, he had an aging phenom in Rodgers...and to be fair he built rosters WELL worthy of pushing for one. Gute never laid an egg in the playoffs, the team did. Gute's job is to keep us relevant and he absolutely has done that...and barely hiccuped going from a HOF QB to a new QB WITH MASSIVE DEBT and somehow we barely stopped being a true contender. </p><p></p><p><strong>First Round Picks</strong>....fans have to stop believing a couple things; that first round picks are sure things and that if you're not getting an All Pro you have failed. Most of these arguments are purely hindsight driven. It is RARE for a team to continually hit on first round picks...even more so if into the later third of the first round. Now that isn't to say you don't potentially get good or even excellent players...but fans expect the freaking Micah Parsons or Patrick Mahomes level guys are there for the taking every time Gute picks (which is just not true). </p><p></p><p>Gute has picked Jaire Alexander / Darnell Savage / Rashan Gary / Jordan Love / Eric Stokes / Devonte Wyatt / Quay Walker / Lukas Van Ness / Jordan Morgan / Matthew Golden</p><p></p><p>Of those guys that have at least two years of experience you have NFL starters that were proven to be that both here in GB and in many places...and Morgan could very well still prove to be an NFL Tackle once the chance is there and Golden IMO showed fully capable of being an NFL starter someday. That is NOT easy to have a run of guys like that....especially when only TWO were taken before pick 15....and the average pick place of all of those was.... 21.7 or the 22nd pick.</p><p></p><p><strong>Third Round Picks</strong>....ah the curse....which IMO was lifted for sure in 2022...but here's his run of those guys...Oren Burks / Jace Sternberger / Josiah Deguara / Amari Rodgers / Sean Rhyan / Tucker Kraft / Ty'Ron Hopper / MarShawn Lloyd / Savion Williams....again despite GB not getting a return out of Burks a ton he has proved fully NFL caliber guy that apparently just didn't fit us or the time with us....but over half of these guys are on rosters, and playing many with us still. Hopper will have a shot this year.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Recency bias will have guys screaming Banks and Hobbs....honestly the very first time Gute didn't hit a triple or home run in free agency....and both were injured and each played better down the stretch. So while the immediate return can be graded as a like D or so...still a ton of time left if they are still here to change that. I still think Banks can be a solid average level LG for us (overpaid but still)....and Hobbs is insurance if Bullard plays out of GB cuz he is special IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tynimiller, post: 1093029, member: 6578"] Yeah I remember that but no clue where...I might be able to pull it together in an advanced search. Gute has been fantastic, and often I think folks bring forth a few main things when criticizing him: - No Super Bowl - First Round Pick Critics - Third Round Picks specifically I've debunked all of these to a point, but also provided measured justification for critique as well in each. Very briefly... [B]Super Bowl thing[/B]....IT ISN'T AS EASY TO WIN AS MOST FANS IMPLY. Yes, he had an aging phenom in Rodgers...and to be fair he built rosters WELL worthy of pushing for one. Gute never laid an egg in the playoffs, the team did. Gute's job is to keep us relevant and he absolutely has done that...and barely hiccuped going from a HOF QB to a new QB WITH MASSIVE DEBT and somehow we barely stopped being a true contender. [B]First Round Picks[/B]....fans have to stop believing a couple things; that first round picks are sure things and that if you're not getting an All Pro you have failed. Most of these arguments are purely hindsight driven. It is RARE for a team to continually hit on first round picks...even more so if into the later third of the first round. Now that isn't to say you don't potentially get good or even excellent players...but fans expect the freaking Micah Parsons or Patrick Mahomes level guys are there for the taking every time Gute picks (which is just not true). Gute has picked Jaire Alexander / Darnell Savage / Rashan Gary / Jordan Love / Eric Stokes / Devonte Wyatt / Quay Walker / Lukas Van Ness / Jordan Morgan / Matthew Golden Of those guys that have at least two years of experience you have NFL starters that were proven to be that both here in GB and in many places...and Morgan could very well still prove to be an NFL Tackle once the chance is there and Golden IMO showed fully capable of being an NFL starter someday. That is NOT easy to have a run of guys like that....especially when only TWO were taken before pick 15....and the average pick place of all of those was.... 21.7 or the 22nd pick. [B]Third Round Picks[/B]....ah the curse....which IMO was lifted for sure in 2022...but here's his run of those guys...Oren Burks / Jace Sternberger / Josiah Deguara / Amari Rodgers / Sean Rhyan / Tucker Kraft / Ty'Ron Hopper / MarShawn Lloyd / Savion Williams....again despite GB not getting a return out of Burks a ton he has proved fully NFL caliber guy that apparently just didn't fit us or the time with us....but over half of these guys are on rosters, and playing many with us still. Hopper will have a shot this year. Recency bias will have guys screaming Banks and Hobbs....honestly the very first time Gute didn't hit a triple or home run in free agency....and both were injured and each played better down the stretch. So while the immediate return can be graded as a like D or so...still a ton of time left if they are still here to change that. I still think Banks can be a solid average level LG for us (overpaid but still)....and Hobbs is insurance if Bullard plays out of GB cuz he is special IMO. [/QUOTE]
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