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Brett TT and the Pack :

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by WinnipegPackFan, Apr 9, 2006.

  1. WinnipegPackFan

    WinnipegPackFan Cheesehead

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    GREAT article about Brett vs Ted.

    Favre vs. Thompson

    By: Bob Fox
    greenbaybob@hotmail.com
    Date: Apr 9, 2006

    Quarterback's message to general manager is clear: Do something!

    Cue up the classic soundtrack by Hugo Montenegro from "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly." The music is perfect for the showdown that is ongoing between Brett Favre and Ted Thompson. Favre is the Clint Eastwood character from the classic film. The good. Thompson is the Lee Van Cleef character. The bad. The ongoing soap opera between Favre and Thompson is becoming a national joke. The ugly.

    Thompson will never win this showdown with Favre. If Favre does retire, then Thompson will forever be known as the guy who drove a legend out of Green Bay. He will be remembered like Sal Bando will be remembered in Milwaukee. Bando allowed Paul Molitor to leave the Brewers for the Toronto Blue Jays. Bando did a lot of good things in Milwaukee, both as a player and in the front office, but that decision will be the one that epitomizes his legacy in Brew City.

    Thompson is already under fire. His first year in Green Bay as the new General Manager of the Packers was disappointing to say the least. The team finished 4-12. The team also lost some very key free agents before the 2005 season like guards Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera, plus safety Darren Sharper. Then after the season, Thompson fired head coach Mike Sherman.

    Favre had a very tough 2005 season. People talk about the 29 interceptions, but Favre was actually on his way to a typical Favre year statistically, when injuries decimated the offense about six games into the season. The team was never able to replace Rivera and Wahle, and some of the other talent surrounding Favre was "NFL Europe" caliber talent, according to former Packer GM Ron Wolf. Favre forced some throws to be sure, but he also was getting hit a lot before he could go though all of his reads.

    Favre does not want to go through another season like 2005 again. Nor do the fans. Nor should Ted Thompson. Thompson has done some good things up to this point. He has re-signed running backs Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport, fullback William Henderson, wide receiver Rod Gardner, defensive end Aaron Kampman and others on defense. He has also signed a few unrestricted free agents like safety Marquand Manuel, defensive tackle Ryan Pickett, linebacker Ben Taylor, kicker Billy Cundiff and wide receiver Marc Boerigter. Thompson has also allowed some free agents to leave like the all-time leading scorer in Packer history, kicker Ryan Longwell.

    But Thompson hasn't really made a big splash yet in free agency. The Packers are still about $20 million under the salary cap. Favre is telling Thompson to start spending some of that money as he hems and haws about his decision to come back. Favre is not playing games with the minds of those in the Packer organization, or the fans with his inability to make a firm decision regarding his future. But he is sending a clear message to Thompson that he hasn't done enough to upgrade the talent on the roster.

    Except for last season, Brett Favre has always been a winning quarterback. He is only 10 wins away from becoming the all-time winningest quarterback in NFL history. He is also a strong leader, and 221 consecutive starts prove that along with the other incredible career stats. Favre wants to be a winner again. That's why he is playing this game of duel with Thompson. In other words, he is telling Thompson to pry open his wallet and start bringing in players that can be difference-makers in Green Bay. Favre alluded to this at his press conference Saturday when he brought up the signing of Reggie White.

    The two biggest UFAs still out there are DB Charles Woodson and LB LaVar Arrington. Woodson met with Green Bay last Monday, but left without a contract. He supposedly is mulling over a decision between the Packers and the Tampa Bay Bucs. Thompson needs to send a clear message to Favre and the other players on the team by being AGGRESSIVE in his pursuit of Woodson. And why hasn't Arrington at least come in for a visit when the Packers have the most money to spend in free agency and linebacker is one of the weakest positions on the team?

    These are questions I ask. These are questions that Brett Favre is asking. And what about the offensive line? Wahle and Rivera left last year. Starting center Mike Flanagan left for the Houston Texans this year. Except for re-signing Kevin Barry, what have the Packers done to improve the O-line? It appears Thompson is counting on young players like Scott Wells, Junius Coston, Will Whitticker and Chris White to fill the void in the middle of the line. That approach didn't work too well last year.

    The showdown between Favre and Thompson will be resolved soon enough. There might not have to be a showdown if Thompson would just address the Packers' needs more aggressively. Thompson doesn't need to throw money in the wind. But in the same vein, sometimes it takes more than market value to close a deal. Thompson had a similar chance when he tried to sign K Adam Vinatieri. He didn't close the deal and Vinatieri signed with the Indianapolis Colts. Thompson needs to start closing some deals soon. Big deals. Or the Favre era will be the one that will be closing. And Thompson will have lost the showdown. Just like Lee Van Cleef.

    Note: Bob Fox is a longtime Packers fan and frequent contributor to PackerReport.com. E-mail him at greenbaybob@hotmail.com.
     
  2. tromadz

    tromadz Cheesehead

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    Bob here neglected the lack of FA guards available.

    criticizing over the woodson\arrington thing are cool though(even though I personally think lavar wouldnt fit in)

    I still feel brett should do one of two thing:

    1- If he has faith in the organization, he should announce his comeback.
    2- If he has no faith in the organization, he should announce his retirement.

    this wait and see crap is just that...crap.


    good find though, i guess, winni.
     
  3. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    This guy judges a book by its cover. He can't be faulted for it though. If you don't see it, why believe it.
     
  4. DePack

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    Have you explained this to Brett? What are you waiting for? Just explain that some guy name tromadz, that post on a Packer Forum, feels he should do this. I'm sure that will make his decision much easier!!!!
     
  5. bozz_2006

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    time and again, these so called professionals have gotten us riled up over pure conjecture that turns out to be no different than the **** all of us post on the boards. i wish they didn't piss me off as much as they do! they're playing the guessing game just like everyone else.
     
  6. porky88

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    Why does everyone consider it Favre vs TT. It's not and if it was management always beats the employer.
     
  7. P@ck66

    P@ck66 Banned Banned

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    WHAT!

    First of all..I think you mean "management always beats the employee"...

    and secondly...No they friggin' don't....

    What country do you live in..??? Have you ever heard of UNIONS son...??

    Don't tell me you never "NORMA RAE"....
     
  8. DePack

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    Surely you don't consider the NFLPA a true union. That is a slap in the face to all real union members.
     
  9. porky88

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    exactly. The Packers won't go and strike and refuse to play just because it's Brett vs TT. This is an entire different situation than Teachers going on strike (example)
     
  10. tromadz

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    thats my opinion. if you dont like it, good for you.
     
  11. pyledriver80

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    Its not Brett vs TT. Its the Brett fans vs the TT fans.

    Brett and TT are on the same page. TT would probably like a decision but knows either way the Packers needs are the same.

    The conflict lies in the people who just can't wait for a decision. I like how they say Brett is holding this team back and TT's just does not want to say it.

    I wonder if it ever crossed thier minds that TT does not think that way?
    Truth is its just speculation, with no facts to back it up.

    TT has never said anything of the sort. No players have said anything of the sort. Noone who is anybody has said anything of the sort.

    Mark Chmura, Steven Smith, blah blah blah. What the hell do they know. They just want to stir the pot.

    I think the Packers and Brett will, and can handle this just fine. They are the ones that matter.
     
  12. WinnipegPackFan

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    I agree with 99 % of what you have to say pyledriver but I really believe that TT and Brett have two very different lines of thinking and may not be on the same page at all. Just my opinion !!!
     
  13. gopackgo4

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    THe problem is there arent many free agent lineman.
     

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