Cal2GreenBay
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2 more years....
(Favre still has a contract....)
:lol:
Aaron's is up next year. Hope they give him an extension then
for those 2 years and beyond
2 more years....
(Favre still has a contract....)
:lol:
No one wants Favre thrown under a bus. IF he's the best player..he plays yes.
As a "packer" fan, I would like to see the long term health of the franchise.
That's the bigger question that people who have your argument don't tackle.
Does Favre represent the long terms goals of the franchise?
when all the receivers, line, and most of the defense are all around the same age?
I never said Aaron was a can't miss. But how and when do we find out?
When Packer QB past/present doesnt allow the future?
Fuzznuts said:Cal2GreenBay said:cheesey said:Thats true,.....it could be 2-14.Cal2GreenBay said:cheesey said:So yeah, toss Favre aside for someone that might win us 3 games mext season. Yeah,.......makes perfect sense to me. :roll:
3-10 next season but won't be like that the 2nd year.
I just don't understand it.........throw away Favre because we lost the title game. Yeah.....makes sense. Put in a guy that may or may not be any good. What do we have to go on with Rodgers? A couple of mop up games.
Like i have said before.........if great QB's are so easy to come by, whay have just the teams in our own division (not counting the whole NFL) had dozens of QB's go through their teams in the last 17 years? Fact is, we have been blessed to have one of the best all time QB's leading our team, and i think alot of youngin's don't realize how spoiled they have been to have that all these years.
How old are you by the way? How long have you been a Packer fan?
The answers to those questions might tell us alot.
Rodgers MIGHT be good, or he MIGHT be another Cade McNown, Todd Marinovich, Andre Ware.......heck, i could probably write for hours the "can't miss" qb's that DID miss.
No one wants Favre thrown under a bus. IF he's the best player..he plays yes.
As a "packer" fan, I would like to see the long term health of the franchise.
That's the bigger question that people who have your argument don't tackle.
Does Favre represent the long terms goals of the franchise?
when all the receivers, line, and most of the defense are all around the same age?
I never said Aaron was a can't miss. But how and when do we find out?
When Packer QB past/present doesnt allow the future?
So you mortgage the present for an uncertain future just to satisfy your curiosity when you know that the commodity that you have currently is a proven winner?
Man...I would hate to see your portfolio....
Makes no business sense at all....
It wasn't a conclusion here fuzz. I was posing the question.
WHEN do we make the change and how does it happen?
I'm a BANK VP..be happy to show you my portfolio =)
Cal2GreenBay said:No one wants Favre thrown under a bus. IF he's the best player..he plays yes.
As a "packer" fan, I would like to see the long term health of the franchise.
That's the bigger question that people who have your argument don't tackle.
Does Favre represent the long terms goals of the franchise?
when all the receivers, line, and most of the defense are all around the same age?
I never said Aaron was a can't miss. But how and when do we find out?
When Packer QB past/present doesnt allow the future?
Alrighty then, now this is a sensible post with some legitimate questions.
Long Term Health.. It is half a dozen eggs in one hand and in the other. You have this team that is built around youth and has proven itself in the talent category. My argument around the team is you always put yourself in a position to win now with one eye on the future.
In most cases, if you have two players of equal talent, you take the younger of the two for the long haul. I agree there.. Rodgers should be around alot longer than Favre.. should be.
But are they of equal talent and knowledge at the position, I say no. We are not talking about Rex Grossman type vet here.
What is the long term goal of the franchise? To consistently put the best available team on the field to win, year after year. Rosters, schemes and personel change every year. Do you really think it is hurting Rodgers to wait in the wings? He is only 25.. lots of years left to play.
How do we find out on Rodgers, he proves himself year in and out in training camp and games action. This is the first year he looked the part of an NFL QB.. come back and prove it next season.
As far as Rodgers contract and earning potential, what if Rodgers struggled for a couple years, would he get a big time contract in the end. Probably not a mega deal. But lets play this out.. Lets say he sits again next year and goes into FA... don't think for a second he isn't going to haul in a huge payload being the Favre mentor and how people have succeeded in that position. Think of the leverage he has in Green Bay at that point.
Lets say Favre retires and Rodgers has a great year following it up.. large payday there as well. In the end, he is missing potential dollars now, but overall this might be the best thing that ever happened to him.
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When? To me thats an easy question to answer. Either when Brett decides to retire, or when he shows that he sucks and can't do it anymore. Pretty easy if you ask me. I bet 25 or more NFL teams would have LOVED to have Favre behind center last season. He still is in the top tier of QB's.Fuzznuts said:Cal2GreenBay said:cheesey said:Thats true,.....it could be 2-14.Cal2GreenBay said:cheesey said:So yeah, toss Favre aside for someone that might win us 3 games mext season. Yeah,.......makes perfect sense to me. :roll:
3-10 next season but won't be like that the 2nd year.
I just don't understand it.........throw away Favre because we lost the title game. Yeah.....makes sense. Put in a guy that may or may not be any good. What do we have to go on with Rodgers? A couple of mop up games.
Like i have said before.........if great QB's are so easy to come by, whay have just the teams in our own division (not counting the whole NFL) had dozens of QB's go through their teams in the last 17 years? Fact is, we have been blessed to have one of the best all time QB's leading our team, and i think alot of youngin's don't realize how spoiled they have been to have that all these years.
How old are you by the way? How long have you been a Packer fan?
The answers to those questions might tell us alot.
Rodgers MIGHT be good, or he MIGHT be another Cade McNown, Todd Marinovich, Andre Ware.......heck, i could probably write for hours the "can't miss" qb's that DID miss.
No one wants Favre thrown under a bus. IF he's the best player..he plays yes.
As a "packer" fan, I would like to see the long term health of the franchise.
That's the bigger question that people who have your argument don't tackle.
Does Favre represent the long terms goals of the franchise?
when all the receivers, line, and most of the defense are all around the same age?
I never said Aaron was a can't miss. But how and when do we find out?
When Packer QB past/present doesnt allow the future?
So you mortgage the present for an uncertain future just to satisfy your curiosity when you know that the commodity that you have currently is a proven winner?
Man...I would hate to see your portfolio....
Makes no business sense at all....
It wasn't a conclusion here fuzz. I was posing the question.
WHEN do we make the change and how does it happen?
I'm a BANK VP..be happy to show you my portfolio =)
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agreed.... Favre can stay as long as he needs to.... I figure one more year...
no i am agreeing with the picture... i think someone said there is a sign there
Tripp.. I am NOT related to Rodgers. Clear the air here.
Unless he has some multi-ethnic blood in his family..we're probably
only related by our CAL affiliation.
Pack93z..I'm not backing out of any comment. I said it and it was a joke.
Nice try to word as though I was cowering out of something. Not in the least.
Begging for retirement for Favre? Hardly.
Again..Satire! To help you guys out..I wlll tag everything "JOKE" or "SATIRE" for you okay? That should move things along
It's the issue of others who get their ******* in a bunch and take things so literally. It's a FREAKIN ONLINE FORUM.
You guys are the ones who REALLY need to let it go...
I'll sum up. Favre better than Rodgers.. Ramah! (as I thump my chest and hold my drumstick). [JOKE]
When asking if Favre should retire, does the $12M in salary come into the picture??? If you thought that Rodgers could be close to Bretts level this year, then wouldnt that really factor in to the equation?
LOL I've enjoyed reading these last few pages. Cal actually makes some good arguments to make me think but I got a few ?s in response not to argue but rather discuss. I know you refer to Favre losing his playoff majic which I can agree we havn't seen much but then I thought well name me another QB pulling out miracles in the playoffs and I couldn't think of one. Also I see your point about the future but I'm not sure what you call the future(next year or 2-3 years) I'd actually like to see Aaron get his chance in 2 or 3 years cause I think this could keep us a contender for years to come but as for next year I've never heard of a team one win away from the SB with the youngest team in the leageu talk about letting go of their core player and rebuild. I think ideal situation for all is Favre comes back next year wins the SB and lets Rodgers take over from there. I think some of the backlash you hear about Aaron is we've seen firsthand in this division how hard it is getting a QB so it's hard to let go of one of the best in the game for a prospect.
Cdnfavrefan said:LOL I've enjoyed reading these last few pages. Cal actually makes some good arguments to make me think but I got a few ?s in response not to argue but rather discuss. I know you refer to Favre losing his playoff majic which I can agree we havn't seen much but then I thought well name me another QB pulling out miracles in the playoffs and I couldn't think of one. Also I see your point about the future but I'm not sure what you call the future(next year or 2-3 years) I'd actually like to see Aaron get his chance in 2 or 3 years cause I think this could keep us a contender for years to come but as for next year I've never heard of a team one win away from the SB with the youngest team in the leageu talk about letting go of their core player and rebuild. I think ideal situation for all is Favre comes back next year wins the SB and lets Rodgers take over from there. I think some of the backlash you hear about Aaron is we've seen firsthand in this division how hard it is getting a QB so it's hard to let go of one of the best in the game for a prospect.
John Elway, and Joe Montana had that playoff Magic that Favre HAD.
U think Brett's going to retire after a superbowl? He'll want to do it again!
You really think people are going to want Brett to finally LET GO after he wins a superbowl and hand the reigns to Rodgers? That doesn't seem quite ideal. He's in a no win situation when he replaces Favre. And replacing him after a superbowl is not the best transition.
The best transition is actually a decline in Favre's performance and Aaron outplaying him.
But politics will be tough to make that enough for him to be the starter
He won the SB last year....
Sorry to post on this thread again. Cal I actually do think after a SB Brett would retire but I'll say it's strictly based on my opinion so who knows' I just think winning it at 29 he would se is his perfect time to leave, and I think he'd have to hard a time gearing up for another year after accomplishing the ultimate. The part I hadn't thought about which you are right on is it would be a rough way for Rodgers to step up haaving to defend the title as he'd basically be in a no win sitiaution. Hard part for him will be cause he's been around so long people will forget he's still realy a rookie and will have the normal growing pains.