Brandon McManus

[milani]

Well they do have practice

The difference at practice is that you are simulating kicking in games. Live kickoffs are different. Even placekicks are like hitting golf balls at the driving range. In a game you are dealing with the clock, getting the unit out there, getting iced, and hearing the crowd. You are not even sure you may be kicking depending on the down and distance and the score.
McManus has had a couple long ones this year. The 2 blocked kicks are not on him. But the two 43-44 yard misses hurt. The only reason the score differential was not bigger in Pittsburgh was not because of Rodgers but due to Boswell, who is an ace kicker for both accuracy and distance. When Luke goes out and hits all 6 of his placekicks including a 61 yarder in AZ people have to be thinking. In Luke's first game he hit a very crucial 4th quarter FG against Cincy that iced the game. It was no gimme. Had McManus been there to miss it Flacco has a chance to come back and beat us.

 

[milani]

So McManus is now DOUBTFUL? If he was doubtful this week he should have been doubtful the last 3. So Luke will probably play. You kept the kid in limbo the last 3 weeks and now he has to tune his guitar again. Had he played those 3 he probably is rolling right now. I hope he has a good pregame. I hope his first kick is a PAT or a short one just to get some rhythm back.

 

[gopkrs]

The difference at practice is that you are simulating kicking in games. Live kickoffs are different. Even placekicks are like hitting golf balls at the driving range. In a game you are dealing with the clock, getting the unit out there, getting iced, and hearing the crowd. You are not even sure you may be kicking depending on the down and distance and the score.
McManus has had a couple long ones this year. The 2 blocked kicks are not on him. But the two 43-44 yard misses hurt. The only reason the score differential was not bigger in Pittsburgh was not because of Rodgers but due to Boswell, who is an ace kicker for both accuracy and distance. When Luke goes out and hits all 6 of his placekicks including a 61 yarder in AZ people have to be thinking. In Luke's first game he hit a very crucial 4th quarter FG against Cincy that iced the game. It was no gimme. Had McManus been there to miss it Flacco has a chance to come back and beat us.

The reason I said there was practice is because if someone is coming off an injury, especially like his when you are a kicker, you are able to test his leg. He says, I'm 100 percent. So you say, ok try this 55 yarder. You don't say, ahhh ok then, you're good to go. jesus

 

[pacmaniac]

So McManus is now DOUBTFUL? If he was doubtful this week he should have been doubtful the last 3.

Absolutely terrible look for the organization.

 

[milani]

The reason I said there was practice is because if someone is coming off an injury, especially like his when you are a kicker, you are able to test his leg. He says, I'm 100 percent. So you say, ok try this 55 yarder. You don't say, ahhh ok then, you're good to go. jesus

He said it tightened up when he came to the stadium today. Probably overworked it this week. That means he was not 100% all 3 weeks. If this was the playoffs and all we had was an unproven fledgling back up kicker then you may have used McManus and hope at least that he makes kicks of the shorter variety.

 

[OldSchool101]

The reason I said there was practice is because if someone is coming off an injury, especially like his when you are a kicker, you are able to test his leg. He says, I'm 100 percent. So you say, ok try this 55 yarder. You don't say, ahhh ok then, you're good to go. jesus

Exactly what I was going to say. Except I’m telling him you’ve got 10 tries. 6 total tries from 50 yards and 4 tries from 55 yards. Hit 60% and you play. Meaning he at minimum has to either go 100% from 50 yards OR hit 1+ from 55 yards in the mix.

If not? you’ll get a chance next week.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I don't like being overreaction guy, but do we need to start wondering what is going on with the medical staff? I don't pay attention to other teams in depth to know if this is common, but sure seems like there are a decent number of misreads on players that has seemingly gone on for a few years. McManus, LVN, Lloyd. Alexander, Bakhtiari... I'm sure I could dig up others, but seems to be a number of 'not healing like we thought' or its 8 weeks later and no one knows what is going on or just general missteps.

 

[Magooch]

what a debacle.

I feel like we often struggle a bit with sunk cost fallacy. We invest in a player (draft pick, cash, etc) and feel like as a result we HAVE to play that player. They get a longer run-out than they would have otherwise because we feel like we need to get a good return on our investment. Like McManus here… we gave him the contract, he’s gonna play! Man, what a mess. I said it earlier, the mishandling of this situation has very possibly played a significant role in multiple losses this season already.

 

[gopkrs]

what a debacle.

I feel like we often struggle a bit with sunk cost fallacy. We invest in a player (draft pick, cash, etc) and feel like as a result we HAVE to play that player. They get a longer run-out than they would have otherwise because we feel like we need to get a good return on our investment. Like McManus here… we gave him the contract, he’s gonna play! Man, what a mess. I said it earlier, the mishandling of this situation has very possibly played a significant role in multiple losses this season already.

I hate when I think we are playing someone because of their high salary or draft pick. Especially if I think there is someone else that might play better.

 

[Zartan]

What is going on here. Like he kicked last two weeks and suddenly can't go again? Like the medical staff and coaching has dropped the ball heavily here.

 

[Guacamole]

He has already missed five field goals in six games this season (11-for-16). His 68.8% field-goal percentage is second-worst in the NFL, and the Rams just benched the guy, Joshua Karty, who is worse, What is the staff hiding and why? Lets Go Brandon!

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't like being overreaction guy, but do we need to start wondering what is going on with the medical staff? I don't pay attention to other teams in depth to know if this is common, but sure seems like there are a decent number of misreads on players that has seemingly gone on for a few years. McManus, LVN, Lloyd. Alexander, Bakhtiari... I'm sure I could dig up others, but seems to be a number of 'not healing like we thought' or its 8 weeks later and no one knows what is going on or just general missteps.

True. Plus. We need someone who can call plays, perform instant, high quality decisions at the end of each half. Can get instant productivity from our iOL. Plus evaluates and negotiates injuries during the lead up to a game! Hmmm
Sounds like we could use an entire Coaching Staff!

I’ll run a Job Advertisement on Indeed pronto!

 

[Voyageur]

I've been saying all of this for weeks now. McManus should not have been out on the field. His injury wouldn't only hamper his ability to kick, it would put him in a position where he'd modify how he kicked and that would be disastrous. What surprises me that a coaching staff that's supposed to be as smart as that which the Packers have could have not understood this principle from day one. When Havrisik showed he had the ability to do the job, they should have put McManus on IR and gave him four weeks of pure rest without kicking, to insure he could return healthy and accurate like he had been in the past.

I'm not sure how many coaching staffs in the NFL would have been as stupid as the Packers were in this decision. As I said from the start, it was going to cost us games because the Packers aren't two missed kicks better offensively than the majority of teams in the NFL. In fact there aren't too many offenses out there that can offset that kind of a problem.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If McManus was brought back too soon while having another kicker on the roster (stiil!) tells me this coaching staff is a collection of incompetent boobs.

Yeah, exactly. Havrisisk (sp?) was a long shot, he hadn't kicked in the NFL since 2023. But he made every kick while he played, including a franchise record 61 yard FG.

WTF stick with the hot hand (ok, foot)! Seems pretty clear McManus is still recovering from a quad injury. It won't get better by kicking. Put Havrisik back until he fails and let McManus heal.

I don't believe Havrisik is going to replace McManus, but he certainly has been cheap, and effective, insurance. Get him back on the game-day roster.

(I don't know what accounts for Havrisik's success. Maybe he felt no stress, as he had nothing to lose. Kickers are weird by nature, but in this case, it seems human nature is at work. We usually do things better when there is no pressure to perform. I'm not saying performance in pro sports doesn't count, of course it does. And the best teams/individuals are those who can succeed under pressure.)

 

[Voyageur]

Yeah, exactly. Havrisisk (sp?) was a long shot, he hadn't kicked in the NFL since 2023. But he made every kick while he played, including a franchise record 61 yard FG.

WTF stick with the hot hand (ok, foot)! Seems pretty clear McManus is still recovering from a quad injury. It won't get better by kicking. Put Havrisik back until he fails and let McManus heal.

I don't believe Havrisik is going to replace McManus, but he certainly has been cheap, and effective, insurance. Get him back on the game-day roster.

(I don't know what accounts for Havrisik's success. Maybe he felt no stress, as he had nothing to lose. Kickers are weird by nature, but in this case, it seems human nature is at work. We usually do things better when there is no pressure to perform. I'm not saying performance in pro sports doesn't count, of course it does. And the best teams/individuals are those who can succeed under pressure.)

You're on point. Let Havrisik do the kicking until McManus was totally healed. There should never be any pressure on McManus to get well so he's out there. Somewhere along the line there had to be some urgency to get him out there to do the kicking, either from him or the coaching staff but I knew since day one that would be a big mistake. For some reason the kicking game has been the Achilles heel of the LeFleur era. The never seem to get it right and I believe it starts with the special teams coach and ends with LeFleur. They need to find a level head to straighten this problem out. If that means replace the ST coach, do it. It's a much more important part of the game than LeFleur seems to want to admit.

 

[Heyjoe4]

You're on point. Let Havrisik do the kicking until McManus was totally healed. There should never be any pressure on McManus to get well so he's out there. Somewhere along the line there had to be some urgency to get him out there to do the kicking, either from him or the coaching staff but I knew since day one that would be a big mistake. For some reason the kicking game has been the Achilles heel of the LeFleur era. The never seem to get it right and I believe it starts with the special teams coach and ends with LeFleur. They need to find a level head to straighten this problem out. If that means replace the ST coach, do it. It's a much more important part of the game than LeFleur seems to want to admit.

Yep V, STs IS important. I loved the Bisaccia hire, but he needs to be replaced. Too many mistakes with that squad.

Then again, if MLF doesn't get this turned around, with all the talent he has, there will be a new HC next year. I don't think Policy will allow a talented team to be wasted. These opportunities are rare in the NFL, in all of pro sports.

I don't want that to happen. I want MLF to stop being so cute and work on simply executing plays on offense. Nothing glamorous, just success. The D seems fine, even with a weak secondary. And STs is, well, not special.

 

[Voyageur]

Yep V, STs IS important. I loved the Bisaccia hire, but he needs to be replaced. Too many mistakes with that squad.

Then again, if MLF doesn't get this turned around, with all the talent he has, there will be a new HC next year. I don't think Policy will allow a talented team to be wasted. These opportunities are rare in the NFL, in all of pro sports.

I don't want that to happen. I want MLF to stop being so cute and work on simply executing plays on offense. Nothing glamorous, just success. The D seems fine, even with a weak secondary. And STs is, well, not special.

I couldn't agree more. It's time this team play up to the potential they have, not down to the level of other teams that they should be beating handily. I don't think Policy would hesitate for one moment to pull the rug out from under this coaching staff and GM if he felt it was necessary.

 

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[Pugger]

You're on point. Let Havrisik do the kicking until McManus was totally healed. There should never be any pressure on McManus to get well so he's out there. Somewhere along the line there had to be some urgency to get him out there to do the kicking, either from him or the coaching staff but I knew since day one that would be a big mistake. For some reason the kicking game has been the Achilles heel of the LeFleur era. The never seem to get it right and I believe it starts with the special teams coach and ends with LeFleur. They need to find a level head to straighten this problem out. If that means replace the ST coach, do it. It's a much more important part of the game than LeFleur seems to want to admit.

Yes, ST doesn't seem to be a high priority to MLF one one hand but then has his ST Coordinator an assistant HC?? What the....??

 

[milani]

I've been saying all of this for weeks now. McManus should not have been out on the field. His injury wouldn't only hamper his ability to kick, it would put him in a position where he'd modify how he kicked and that would be disastrous. What surprises me that a coaching staff that's supposed to be as smart as that which the Packers have could have not understood this principle from day one. When Havrisik showed he had the ability to do the job, they should have put McManus on IR and gave him four weeks of pure rest without kicking, to insure he could return healthy and accurate like he had been in the past.

I'm not sure how many coaching staffs in the NFL would have been as stupid as the Packers were in this decision. As I said from the start, it was going to cost us games because the Packers aren't two missed kicks better offensively than the majority of teams in the NFL. In fact there aren't too many offenses out there that can offset that kind of a problem.

And it is a windy day in NY. Not a good omen for a team with kicking issues.

 

[lambeaulambo]

where are we coming up issues at K? the young leg will win the day over a K who has a bad leg. its a no brainer and if rich bissachia trots mcmanus out there he isnt worth a penny as a st coord

 

[Heyjoe4]

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Thanks D. Interesting that Williams looked questionable to play, and then made that incredible catch later in the game. I've been happy with this guy.

 

[OldSchool101]

Thanks D. Interesting that Williams looked questionable to play, and then made that incredible catch later in the game. I've been happy with this guy.

Savion has been used sporadically, but so far so good. Really shown some nice glimpses of big play ability. That Catch yesterday was bigtime for a Rookie. We’re needing both Golden and Savion to save this Draft class for this years draft grade.

 

[Magooch]

Sure am glad he showed up when he did, but Savion is yet another guy that is raising some huge question marks for me regarding our medical staff...the guy was literally showing up to the stadium in a boot, literally gets TWO snaps on offense but one is massively impactful, and then looked to be gimpy again immediately after that play. You've got that, you've got the whole McManus debacle, you've got Jacobs seemingly less-than-100% all year, you've got Tom apparently getting cleared and playing one single snap before getting pulled again...for a team who IMO has historically been pretty conservative with injury rehab, I really don't know what is going on right now...

 

[OldSchool101]

Tom apparently getting cleared and playing one single snap before getting pulled again...

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