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Brandon Graham

Discussion in '2010 Draft Archive' started by PackersRS, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. PackersRS

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    Brandon Graham - DE - Michigan
    (projected as an OLB in the 3-4)

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQfcytu6ItI]YouTube - DE Brandon Graham Highlights 2009 Michigan[/ame]

     
  2. ThinkICare

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    Wouldn't mind if the Packers got Graham too with the 23rd pick. Only real knocks on him are his short arms and is a little small for a OLB. He's shown he can be a real force time in and time out.


    From Brandon Graham Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect
     
  3. PackersRS

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    I don't think height or arms are as important for OLB as they are for DE, as the OLB tend to go against TE, RB and OT that are off balance...

    My only concern with him is his lack of knowledge of the 3-4 OLB position... I have no doubt in my mind that this kid can be a great pass rusher in the pros, and that he can play the run very well (has a little bit problem identifying the play sometimes, but nothing major...). He tackles very well.

    This is one guy that doesn't have great measurables, but the productions is just too overwhelming. I really like this kind of prospects, the ones who really have to work their butts off to suceed, but have the natural propensity to play football...
     
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    I'm just saying those are the knocks on him coming from scouts. I don't think it's that important either that he's a little smaller then you're average Linebacker and have shorter then normal arms. I've heard he does have experience being an OLB at Michigan. He wasn't just a DE full-time at Michigan. He switched around at those 2 positions for awhile from my understanding.



    I've heard he has a great work ethic and is one of those guys that will work on anything that is wrong with his NFL abilities. Wouldn't shock me if TT drafted him, if he fell to us.
     
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    Just a report from another source, always good to have multiple perspectives on a prospect.

    From Brandon Graham | Michigan Scouting Report - 2010 NFL Draft Prospect
     
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    Isn't this the same guy that terrorized Bulaga all day long???
     
  7. PackersRS

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    Yep.
     
  8. David Pynnonen

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    I think that this pick would make sense if he could play decent coverage. We need better LB coverage. The middle of the field, underneath routes seem to open up quite a bit. Thats the main reason hawk hasn't been an every down backer. We dont want to draft a guy in the first round that can't cover early doucet, like hawk
     
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    But Hawk's MAIN obligation is to cover, or play the run.

    The OLB's main obligation is to rush the passer...
     
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    good point, i wonder if he's big enough to play a little bit of DE for a few situational plays to change up the defensive front and the look
     
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    He dominated one of the OLs better prospects in Bulaga.

    I think the problem with him, more than if he can cover, is if he can play in space. If he won't lose a step playing with his hands up.

    He has done a bit of standing, but not much, as CM3 pratically only played standing up.

    Of course, CM3 only played one season for USC, so he didn't exactly had experience in that.

    But as TT said earlier this year, CM3 PROVED he could play in space.

     
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    Grahm would be ok ...but all the people that want to get rid of Hawk..........would probably change their mind if he was gone.
     
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    How about Michigan's Graham?

    I just heard on ESPN that if still on the board at #23 don't be surprised if the Pack take the DE/LB Graham from Michigan.I love this pick I mean we lost Kampman and we need defense.Everyone is talking OL men we got Clifton back probably Tauscher too.The whole line played pretty well the 2nd half of the season.We ended up in the top 5 in offense.It's the defense that didn't show up in the playoffs.Clifton or Tauscher were 1st rounders.We can get OL men in rounds 4-7.They won't start anyway so let em learn what the NFL is all about.I like the DE/LB Graham first then in the 2nd you go the CB Franks from Oklahoma and in the 3rd the safety Rolle from FSU.Then onto O lineman.
     
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    There's already a thread about him, and as I've said over there, I think he's the best 3-4 OLB in the draft, and I'd love to get him.

    But he's kind of a projection, since he played with his hands down most of the time...
     
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    Clifton was a second rounder and Tauscher was drafted in the seventh. They excelled as nfl caliber lineman because of proper coaching. I'm not a firm believer in Campen's system so I might sound a bit biased. Another thing, it took Clifton and Tauscher at least 3-4 seasons before getting up to par as "elite" status. Whereas first round lineman such as Thomas, Long, Oher have all contributed with only a few games of experience.
     
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    Merged the two Graham threads. :)
     
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    Now you guys are talking this is the guy we need with our 1st pick not no O lineman. He is the perfect replacement for Kampman you replace a pass rusher with a pass rusher.They also said Dwight Freeney was undersized and had short arms and he's working out just fine.
     
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    Except that Dwight Freeney plays DE not OLB which is the question that we're imposing on Brandon Graham. Can he adequately transition from playing in a 3 point stance to a 2 point?
     
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    Incorrect.

    I've made a thread about this.

    I think we OUGHT TO take an OL in the first round, despite not thinking it's our biggest need.

    The reason I say that is because we'll have nothing at LT in 2011, nothing, it usually takes a year to develop an elite LT, which is vital to our offense, and because the difference level between the 1st round prospects and the rest is astonishing, while in other positions we can find great quality later on.

    I do say that I'd not be disappointed with us getting Brandon Graham.

    But the pick should be OT.
     
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    Kampman is a great pass rusher..but in a 4-3. he didnt adjust very good to the 3-4. after his injury brad jones came in and seemed like he was developing fairly good. I like graham but i think we have other areas that are bigger concerns. Like our O-line, even if we find a way to keep tausher, were an old line with NO depth whatsoever. I dont want to see Barbre in the game. Does anyone??
     
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    The defense is what lost the playoff game when it counted most so you have to start by fixing the defense the offense was not a problem.
     
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    Very true. But the offense is going to be a problem if you don't address it as well.
     
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    yeah i agree with both of you. Our defense played really well for being in the first year of the switch to the 3-4. We just had a few games like the steelers game and the playoff game where it was almost non-existent. I dont think TT can draft the wrong position unless he goes with a WR, TE, DT, or MLB
     
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    The offense was not a problem? What were the first and the last plays of the game? Those plays had nothing to do with the defense. Didn't Rogers get sacked 5 times? Didn't Ryan Grant run for about 65 yards or so? Sounds like their were some problems on offense to me. Sure the defense had a rough time. But when you spot a team 17 points........its not going to be easy. Can't blame it all on the defense. Look below at 4 good reasons we lost the game. None of these are the fault of the Defense.

    (14:56) 12-A.Rodgers pass short right intended for 86-D.Lee INTERCEPTED by 29-D.Rodgers-Cromartie

    (10:14) 12-A.Rodgers pass short left to 80-D.Driver to GB 31 for 1 yard (58-K.Dansby). FUMBLES (58-K.Dansby), RECOVERED by ARZ-78-A.Branch at GB 22. 78-A.Branch to GB 22 for no gain (85-G.Jennings).

    12:58) 2-M.Crosby 54 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-61-B.Goode, Holder-7-J.Kapinos.

    13:50) (Shotgun) 12-A.Rodgers sacked at GB 17 for -7 yards (27-M.Adams). FUMBLES (27-M.Adams) [27-M.Adams], RECOVERED by ARZ-58-K.Dansby at GB 17. 58-K.Dansby for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
     
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    Take a poll on here on who lost that game hands down the defense.
     

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