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    Params: post, 435338, a:3:{i:0;s:663:"This article is so true. The idea of best player available gets taken a little too directly by people (especially on this forum). A team doesn't rate players 1 through 500 on a giant list. Player A might grade out as 89.21 and Player B might grade out as 89.13. Does that extra .07 rating make Player A "better". Is a fraction of a percent or even one whole percent difference even measurable? I would say that no talent evaluator is good enough to distinguish between fractions of a percent. People forget that players are ranked in tiers. A GM, such as TT, will trade back six spots if there are eight players with a similar grade still on the board. ";i:1;a:4:{s:3:"tag";s:1:"b";s:6:"option";N;s:8:"original";a:2:{i:0;s:3:"[B]";i:1;s:4:"[/B]";}s:8:"children";a:1:{i:0;s:82:"The reason TT drafted Aaron Rodger is because he was such an extraordinarly value.";}}i:2;s:192:" This is also why common sense should used when arguing "I'd be alright if the Packers draft a quarterback in the first round". No QB on the board will hold enough value to justify the pick.";}, 1470665447, 1472137521
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    Params: post, 435375, a:1:{i:0;s:346:"Very good thread here...and I agree 100%. The way TT drafts takes BPA more into account than most other GM's for sure...but it's not the only variable that he factors in (need, character being a couple others). On a side note, I saw a mock from Fox or something that had the Packers taking Weeden...good example of taking BPA way too literally.";}, 1470665447, 1472137521
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    Params: post, 435385, a:1:{i:0;s:738:"I don't like the article. I think the basic premise is flawed. The author is making the assumption that the players are identified not in tiers as suggested by the title, but in a list from 1 to whatever. The fact is, once you get past the top ten, the next best player is starting to get murky. When you get to 50, there is little difference between the next few picks. Therefore, if you are picking at 50, you can select between 5 or 6 players, and at that point, why not select one in a deficient area. Trading down has everything to do with BPA and not evidence against it. If you are at 50 and there are 10 players ranked the same, why not trade back and pick up some more draft picks and still get the same value player?";}, 1470665447, 1472137521
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  19. library/Zend/Cache/Backend/Memcached.php
  20. library/Zend/Cache/Backend/ExtendedInterface.php
  21. library/Zend/Cache/Backend/Interface.php
  22. library/Zend/Cache/Backend.php
  23. library/Zend/Cache/Core.php
  24. library/XenForo/CodeEvent.php
  25. library/XenForo/Options.php
  26. library/XenForo/Link.php
  27. library/XenForo/Template/Helper/Core.php
  28. library/FreePro/Listener.php
  29. library/bdTagMe/Listener.php
  30. library/bdTagMe/Helper/Template.php
  31. library/bdTagMe/ShippableHelper/Updater.php
  32. library/bdTagMe/Option.php
  33. library/sonnb/XenGallery/Listener.php
  34. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Init.php
  35. library/XenForo/Router.php
  36. library/XenForo/Route/Filter.php
  37. library/XenForo/Route/Interface.php
  38. library/XenForo/Route/ResponseSuffix.php
  39. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix.php
  40. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Threads.php
  41. library/XenForo/RouteMatch.php
  42. library/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  43. library/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Abstract.php
  44. library/XenForo/Controller.php
  45. library/ModerateCountry/RegisterListener.php
  46. library/EWRporta2/Widget/Listener/ArticlesMain.php
  47. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Listener.php
  48. library/Dark/PostRating/EventListener.php
  49. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Controller.php
  50. library/FreePro/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  51. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  52. library/sonnb/XenGallery/XenForo/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  53. library/EWRporta2/ControllerPublic/Thread.php
  54. library/XenForo/Input.php
  55. library/XenForo/Session.php
  56. library/Zend/Db.php
  57. library/Zend/Db/Adapter/Mysqli.php
  58. library/Zend/Db/Adapter/Abstract.php
  59. library/Zend/Db/Select.php
  60. library/Zend/Db/Expr.php
  61. library/Zend/Db/Profiler.php
  62. library/Zend/Db/Statement/Mysqli.php
  63. library/Zend/Db/Statement.php
  64. library/Zend/Db/Statement/Interface.php
  65. library/XenForo/Helper/Ip.php
  66. library/XenForo/Visitor.php
  67. library/XenForo/Model/User.php
  68. library/ThemeHouse/JoinUserGroup/Listener/LoadClass.php
  69. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/LoadClass.php
  70. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/LoadClass/20150518.php
  71. library/Dark/TaigaChat/EventListener/Listener.php
  72. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Listener.php
  73. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Model.php
  74. library/ThemeHouse/JoinUserGroup/Extend/XenForo/Model/User.php
  75. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/User.php
  76. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/Model/User.php
  77. library/sonnb/XenGallery/XenForo/Model/User.php
  78. library/EWRporta2/Model/User.php
  79. library/Zend/Db/Profiler/Query.php
  80. library/XenForo/Permission.php
  81. library/XenForo/Helper/Php.php
  82. library/XenForo/Phrase.php
  83. library/XenForo/Locale.php
  84. library/Sedo/DetectBrowser/Listener/Visitor.php
  85. library/Sedo/DetectBrowser/Helper/MobileDetect.php
  86. library/EWRporta2/Model/Perms.php
  87. library/ThemeHouse/JoinUserGroup/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch.php
  88. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch.php
  89. library/ThemeHouse/Listener/ControllerPreDispatch/20150911.php
  90. library/UnreadPostCount/Listener.php
  91. library/XenForo/ControllerHelper/ForumThreadPost.php
  92. library/XenForo/ControllerHelper/Abstract.php
  93. library/XenForo/Model/Thread.php
  94. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/Thread.php
  95. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/Thread.php
  96. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Model/Thread.php
  97. library/UnreadPostCount/Model/Thread.php
  98. library/Dark/PostRating/Model.php
  99. library/XenForo/Model/Forum.php
  100. library/XenForo/Helper/String.php
  101. library/XenForo/Helper/Discussion.php
  102. library/XenForo/Model/Post.php
  103. library/Dark/PostRating/Model/Post.php
  104. library/sonnbThreadMassActions/Model/Post.php
  105. library/EWRporta2/Model/Post.php
  106. library/EWRporta2/Model/Articles.php
  107. library/XenForo/Model/Attachment.php
  108. library/XenForo/Model/Node.php
  109. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/Node.php
  110. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Categories.php
  111. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Forums.php
  112. library/XenForo/ControllerResponse/View.php
  113. library/XenForo/ControllerResponse/Abstract.php
  114. library/Nobita/IgnoreThread/Model/IgnoreThread.php
  115. library/XenForo/Helper/Cookie.php
  116. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/HtmlPublic.php
  117. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/Abstract.php
  118. library/XenForo/Template/Public.php
  119. library/XenForo/Template/Abstract.php
  120. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Thread/View.php
  121. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Base.php
  122. library/XenForo/View.php
  123. library/EWRporta2/Listener/ViewPublic.php
  124. library/XenForo/BbCode/Parser.php
  125. library/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  126. library/EWRporta2/Listener/BbCode.php
  127. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  128. library/sonnb/XenGallery/XenForo/BbCode/Formatter/Base.php
  129. library/EWRporta2/BbCode/Formatter.php
  130. library/XenForo/ViewPublic/Helper/Message.php
  131. library/XenForo/BbCode/TextWrapper.php
  132. library/WhoHasVisited/Listener.php
  133. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Members.php
  134. library/bdTagMe/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Members.php
  135. library/Dark/TaigaChat/EventListener/NavigationTabs.php
  136. library/EWRporta2/Listener/NavTabs.php
  137. library/XenForo/Template/FileHandler.php
  138. library/XenForo/Helper/File.php
  139. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,thread_view.php
  140. library/SeparateStickyAndNormal/Listener.php
  141. library/EWRporta2/Listener/Template.php
  142. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,ignore_thread_tool.php
  143. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,page_nav.php
  144. library/XenForo/Route/Prefix/Posts.php
  145. library/XenForo/Model/Avatar.php
  146. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,dark_postrating_message_user_info.php
  147. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,dark_postrating.php
  148. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,bb_code_tag_quote.php
  149. library/XenForo/Helper/Criteria.php
  150. library/XenForo/Debug.php
  151. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,PAGE_CONTAINER.php
  152. library/FreePro/Helper.php
  153. internal_data/templates/S.7,L.1,EWRporta2_Navtabs.php
  154. library/XenForo/ViewRenderer/Json.php