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Bob McGinn of jsonline season's numbers

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by longtimefan, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-season-by-the-numbers-2b8e0bo-187406961.html



     
  2. El Guapo

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    You could drop a whole lot of these stats into various threads on this forum. Certainly the Newhouse sack total could be useful in that discussion. The drop in missed tackles was a big shock to me. Think about what would happen if you eliminated those Adrian Peterson games!

    What stats jumped out at all of you the most?
     
  3. 13 Times Champs

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    Here is more of what McGinn said about the O-Line

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/packers-season-by-the-numbers-2b8e0bo-187406961.html
    "MEASURING THE O-LINE


    The Packers' offensive line was charged with 35 of the team's 55 sacks in 18 games, or 63.6%. Last year, the unit allowed 24½ of 45, or 54.4%.

    Aaron Rodgers was responsible for the most sacks with 14. Since becoming a starter five years ago, he has been charged with 9½ sacks in 2008, 16½ in '09, 13½ in '10 and 6½ in '11.

    Marshall Newhouse allowed 11 sacks, one-half more than his team-high total of 10½ a year ago. It is the most given up by a Green Bay O-lineman since Tony Mandarich yielded 12½ in '90.

    Rodgers and Newhouse were followed by Bryan Bulaga (six), T.J. Lang (5½), Don Barclay (four), Josh Sitton (3½), Evan Dietrich-Smith (three) and Jeff Saturday (two).

    The running backs were charged with just 1½ sacks and the tight ends only one.

    There was no fault assigned to three sacks. Among players who didn't give up a sack were Jermichael Finley, D.J. Williams, DuJuan Harris, James Starks and Ryan Grant.

    In the regular season, the Packers ranked 28th in sack percentage. Since a third-place finish in 2007, they have ranked 18th in '08, 29th in '09, 20th in '10 and 22nd in '11.

    When the Packers won the Super Bowl in 1996, they ranked 18th in sack percentage. From 1997-2006, they never ranked worse than 10th ('98).

    Newhouse, with 42½, allowed the most pressures. That includes all sacks, knockdowns and hurries. Newhouse's total, one more than a year ago, is the highest since the Journal Sentinel began recording the statistic in 1999."
     
  4. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    You bring up an interesting point. I'd like to see the game splits on these. I think it would probably prove that certain players just had a bad game or two.
     
  5. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I bolded the ones..

    And as far as putting them in other areas..Go for it :)
     
  6. FrankRizzo

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    Newhouse was supposed to be behind Bulaga and Sherrod.
    That was the plan when Teddy Ballgame drafted the 2 guys in the first round.
    Damn injuries.
    And Newhouse caused the one to Sherrod, ironically, in KC. Also caused us to lose our first game of the 2011 season that day too. Might have given Tamba Hali some credentials for Canton that day.....
     
  7. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    So when a receiver lays out for a Rodgers pass and gets injured you say its Rodgers fault??
     
  8. FrankRizzo

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    Faver always got blamed for hanging Robert Brooks and Antonio Freeman out...so yes sometimes.

    Maybe you will agree with this:
    LT lets his guy around him all game long, sacks Rodgers 3 times, and 5 hits. Rodgers gets hurt on the 8th one and is done.
    Do you not blame the LT at all?
    Are you a guy who believes noone ever is to blame, Howard Jones?
     
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  9. El Guapo

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    I would blame the GM for not having a better option. You can't blame a player for trying his best and failing. That's bush league arm-chair quarterbacking. I would not blame you, FrankRizzo, if the Packers brass put you out on the field to protect Rodgers and he got hurt. Although you seem to advocate that we all should. These guys are all trying hard, it's only our expectations that allow for being "let down."
     
  10. HyponGrey

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    You could blame the coach for not teaching the player, the player for not learning enough, or the GM who brought the two together. All depends on your view based on the limited info available.
     
  11. longtimefan

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    you said a off lineman got another one hurt Why?

    and yes I agree with that
     
  12. FrankRizzo

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    Are you asking me why an OL got another hurt? Or how?
     
  13. longtimefan

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    LOL

    You said he got hurt from another lineman...Why/how did the lineman hurt the other lineman
     
  14. FrankRizzo

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    Because Newhouse was a turnstyle for Tamba Hali all game long. It was his guy who smashed into Sherrod's planted leg while he tended to his guy... blocking. You forgot that was the greatest game in the history of Tamba Hali?
     
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    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    I just want to know what the F*CK do these stat people consider a dropped pass? They have finley as only dropping 6 passes this year.....lol.....what a joke. I watched all packer games this year and can remember way more than 6.
    If it hits you in the hands, and you dont catch it, it should be considered a drop, end of story.
     
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    jsonline and finley are bff's. Enough said.
     
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    Seems they differentiate between a dropped pass and a bad pass. PFF says only 9:
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/22/signature-stats-drop-rate-tight-ends/
     
  18. El Guapo

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    So when the QB misfires, the receiver lays out, and it touches his fingertips that's a drop by the TE/WR? I'd like to know just what the F*CK drives that line of thinking? Everything is not perfect in this world, even with statistics. There occasionally needs to be subjective judgement put into the equation. I suggest that you watch each game tape and give us your estimated number of drops for comparison. Otherwise you're just blowing hot air
     
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    ^ okay, by that sense, when the QB delivers a perfect strike that goes through his hands, hits him in the guts and drops to the turf....what do ya wanna call that? Seen that multiple times this season. Fact of the matter is: more times than not, his drops have been the result of HIM, not Arod......and it WAS more than 9......hell he had 3 in one game that went through his butter fingers.
     
  20. HyponGrey

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    But only two since the bye week.
     
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    ● IMO the play caller/OC (in our case, McCarthy) deserves a good part of the blame if an O linemen is getting beat repeatedly. Perhaps the player isn't in as good shape as he should be and/or perhaps he didn't pay enough attention to his coaching or the scouting report. Perhaps he has physical limitations that prevent him from being successful and he really is doing all he can to succeed. But in game, it doesn't matter! Whatever the reason, the player opposite him has to be doubled or chipped on 5-7 step drops. That player needs to be accounted for, whether it's trapping him in the running game if he's being over-aggressive, or double teaming him and running right at him. Unless there is someone on the bench who has a chance to do better, the play caller has to account for that guy.

    ● No matter what, unless you can prove intent (and of course you can't), IMO it's ridiculous to blame Newhouse for Sherrod's injury.

    ● When a completely objective source (as far as I know) has Finley dropping 9 passes in the season, IMO the burden shifts to someone alleging there were a lot more. Most passes that hit receivers in the hands should be caught and considered drops if they aren't, but not all. I remember one in particular that Finley got a hand on that definitely should not have been considered a drop. McGinn's season-ending grades have Finley dropping 5 passes and losing a fumble in the first five games of the season and then just one drop and no fumbles for the rest of the season. There may have been 3-4 more drops but that coincides with my recollection of Finley's season: He definitely got better as the season went on. My guess is a pre-existing dislike for Finley plays into some fans "seeing" drops that didn't occur.
     
  22. El Guapo

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    Let's not forget that a "leak" from the organization said that Finley would be traded unless he played better. That was before the first Chicago game. Magically, he played better. I'm not a big Finley fan by admission and this is another reason why. He has immense talent, but it takes a statement like this to get him playing better. Maybe we should just threaten to cut him before each game!
     
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  23. HyponGrey

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    Logic says that would lose its effect quickly.
     
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    The beauty is that we could follow through with our threat
     

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