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Bill Polian on Ted Thompson: "Fans should applaud him"

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Shawnsta3, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. ivo610

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    Go ahead, id love to hear it.
     
  2. Spanish Rose

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    I think I got him already ivo lol
     
  3. Shawnsta3

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    Yeah, I too would live to hear it. I could understand if say, we were only competitive for that one year but an 80-42 record under McCarthy in reg./ postseason would be hard to argue about the Packers only being " lucky"
     
  4. adambr2

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    It's amazing, although yet not that surprising, that some people (few on here, comparatively) talk about this franchise like TT is driving it into the ground. You'd think we were the Jets or Browns.

    In baseball, I've been a fan of the Milwaukee Brewers for the last 20-25 years. So believe me, I know what it is like to watch a franchise in turmoil. This isn't it. In the last 7 years or so, (the length of the TT/MM era) there are a small handful of teams that can claim to have the overall sustained success that we've had. Maybe 5.

    Every move that a GM ever makes is going to have a group that doesn't agree with it. That's part of being a fan. We aren't paid to make those decisions, so it's something we all just have to deal with. Something that might seem really obvious to you, might not be so obvious to another fan -- or to the scouts, coaches, and managers that spend a lot more time than us reviewing film, watching practices, and studying players.
     
  5. Forderick

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    Sorry, while mediocre is a bit too harsh and while their record has been good, can anyone honestly say that the defence was good enough to win during the 15-1 season. and even last year. They have been embarrassed the last 2 years in the playoffs. So while their regular season has been great, their playoffs since the super bowl have been bad. And dare I say mediocre?
     
  6. adambr2

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    Yes. And what happened to last year's Super Bowl teams? Well, the Patriots were embarrassed at home by the Ravens. And the Giants, they weren't even good enough to make it back to the playoffs at all. At least we were in the playoffs, which is all you need to give yourself a shot.

    Why did this happen to them this year? Because it happens. You have a league with constant turnover, unpredictable and sometimes unfair and unforgiving injury rates, and 31 other GM's also trying their best to get to the top.

    If you think every year is going to end in a championship, you're going to be very disappointed most years.
     
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  7. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    defense? why don't you go look at where our D was ranked in 2011, then go look where it was ranked in 2012. We made a LEGIT improvement and are still going to be getting better. Going from dead last to middle of the league is a vast turn aound in such a short time frame.
     
  8. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    Don't forget historically bad.
     
  9. DevilDon

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    By historically you mean the last two years?
     
  10. HyponGrey

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    Didn't we set a record back in 2011 that the Saint's (not to be outdone) broke this year for statistically worst defense in NFL history?
     
  11. DevilDon

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    Yep, but that's like saying the south historically loses revolutions.
    I take "historically" to mean they have a track record of the same type of performance. Napoleon had his Waterloo but you'd never say that he was "historically" a loser would you?
    Short term yes, but historically I'd say not a chance.
     
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  12. HyponGrey

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    More along the lines of saying the Holocaust being a historic slaughter. I take "Historically" to mean notable/significant when compared to past records. Nobody had ever put up such bad numbers. The 72 Dolphins had a historic season.
     
  13. texaspackerbacker

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    I understand where you are coming from, Ford. What I would say is the Packers other than Aaron Rodgers have a pretty mediocre team, and heaven forbid we lose him, I would fear a drop off a lot like the Colts when Peyton went down.
     
  14. DevilDon

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    Ah okay. But I'd say that there have been far greater slaughters. WWII is supposed to have killed 66 million all told and Mao killed about 40 mil. The Holocaust, though revolting by it's nature isn't in the same league as those slaughters. You see, it's a matter of perspective. I suppose you might say it's more notable but it's not historic.
    The Packers had a poor defense that year but it would be a silly argument to say they were historically bad wouldn't you? They won plenty of games so it goes unnoticed because they weren't so bad that they couldn't stay in games. Perspective Hypon. Plenty of people will note the futility that the Lions enjoyed during their 0-16 season and many will call their defense bad but fans are a forgiving group and I think most will look past 2011 as a season in which the Packers had a poor defense. You as a fan might remember it as historically bad but I doubt many else will agree. Teams threw on us all day long to get back into games, and that increased the yardage total but not points scored.
     
  15. DevilDon

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    You can't do that, I mean, the Vikings without AP are average right? The Patriots without TB are average right? Who's strong once their blue chip players go down?
    Who would you say, I mean what team could lose their Tom Brady, Peyton, Aaron and be anything more than average?
     
  16. DevilDon

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    At the same time you'd never say the Dolphins are historically good.
     
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    True, The Armenian slaughter was bigger if I recall, but nobody says anything about that one, and I was using Historic as a synonym to notable. We'll get past it, and quite frankly our defense has been worse than 2011 before, but I'll still remember it because the statistics we put up set an NFL record.
     
  18. Spanish Rose

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    It was good enough to win 15 games and bad enough to lose 2..mediocre? I get what your saying, but by that definition the 15 other teams to be eliminated were just that as well..Only 1 team takes it.. Our defense might be "mediocre", but this is a team sport, and as a "team" there are only about two who've done it better in the last 5 years.. Far from mediocre
     
  19. DevilDon

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    I don't know, I think the Armenian numbers are at about 1.5 million which is my point: Stalin: 20 mil (1928-1953) and Vietnam 4.2 million and the second Congo war (1998-2002) 3.8 million are all modern numbers. It depends on your perspective on what is an atrocity or more notable. It just wasn't possible to kill as many people in the past as modern technology allows modern times but Genghis Khan did try: 40 mil.
    In simple numbers though the Packers defense was poor but not by any stretch of the imagination atrocious. I agree they will bounce back and last year was an indication that they will rebound in a quick fashion. If one draft can take you from 32nd to 11th, what will another draft do?
     
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  20. PFanCan

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    Additionally, the Packers have been extremely unlucky regarding injuries these past few years. Last year I recall seeing a stat just before the 49er playoff game that compared how many games lost by Packer starters versus 49er starters all season long due to injury. I forget the number, but it was something outrageous like Packers 100, 49ers only four.

    What I am saying is, an 80-42 record is even more impressive when you look at the injury stats.

    If the Packers are "mediocre", well, I guess I am pretty happy with mediocre.
     
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  21. adambr2

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    Of course the Packers are mediocre without Rodgers. As are the Patriots without Brady, the Broncos without Manning, the Vikings without Peterson, the Saints without Brees...etc etc. Most teams with a superstar player become a lot worse without said player.
     
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  22. adambr2

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    One overlooked aspect of overusing free agency is the affect that it has on your player development. While your prized veteran stop-gap is playing, your young potentially talented guy next in line is not gaining game experience. If we go out and sign Michael Huff, is a guy like McMillian or Jennings going to ever be suitable for the starting spot?

    Case in point with EDS last year. Saturday gets benched for EDS late in the season. Now, suppose we never had signed him. Other than saving a few million extra to carry over to this year's cap, what would the benefits have been? Well, EDS would have gained a season's worth of experience at the position, and we would have a lot better idea by now whether he was going to be the man there or not.

    I'm not saying that the Saturday signing was dumb, or even that EDS is going to be great. Just giving an example of how free agency activity can affect player development.
     
  23. AmishMafia

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    No. In one category, passing yards, we set a record. But one category does not completely describe a defense. Our defense was towards the middle of the pack in points given up and we were 2nd best in creating turnovers. It all adds up to a bad but not a 'historically' bad defense by any means. There were 3 or 4 teams that season alone that had worse defenses.
     
  24. SpartaChris

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    Polian's job as GM, which is the same as Thompson's job now, was to assemble the pieces necessary to make a run and stay in contention each and every year. And you have to admit he was quite successful at. Indy were legitimate contenders almost every single year, which is really all any realistic fan-base can ask for. Expecting much more than that is both naive and unrealistic.
     
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    Yup. 8 drops, 4 turnovers. If that's not shooting yourself in the foot, I don't know what is, but it's why we lost to the New Jersey Giants.
     

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