Bears Studs n Duds

[Packers4ever]

I was on another Packer fan site after the game and a few "fans" were saying the same thing. One insisting that the Packers trade Love and sign Willis. Of course he had no response as to how the Packers would deal with the $98.4M dead cap hit created by trading Love. Not to mention how much new cap would signing Willis add?

I am fine with casual fans getting upset and being all mad, but when they offer up no solutions other than "fire everyone" or even worse, unviable ones, it tells you a lot about them.

love is not the problem , the problem is MLF and his game planning , he was out coached again by the other coach , MLF has reached the top of his success, slowly every season the packers are getting worse instead of getting better
time for a change 4 straught loses , does not matter Minnesota rested all the players, and losing from a 21-3 half time lead, time for a change

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

MLF is not a great offensive mind, therefore he should give that job to someone else , this is one of the reasons play calling gets stale toward the end of the game most of the time against quality teams

I think the first half of the game proves you wrong on that. Where I think MLF fails the most is having to be both an OC and the HC, it appears to be overwhelming him. He doesn't make quick in-game adjustments, nor does he seem to think quickly on his feet. I think Matt needs to go back to being an offensive coordinator, sit up in the press box with his staff and use that offensive mind, without the pressure of also being the head coach. Sadly, as others have pointed out, that probably won't happen in Green Bay, but with another team. I think if the Packers fire Matt, another team is going to gain one heck of a good offensive coordinator.

 

[Packers4ever]

The run game never got going enough. Too many 0 and 1 yard plays. Too vanilla with a bad OL. Bears are not a great run defense. Something has to change.

MLF is too busy calling plays , let someone else do that and concentrate on the overall of the game , he can not do 2 things at a time , is not working
he is not that great to do both , change the system, though i want him replaced , you dont lose a game been ahead 21-3 at half time

 

[gopkrs]

And Gutenkust is just not that great of a talent picker. Who the hell does he listen too? I completely believe we could turn over scouts, coaches, GM etc. and not miss a beat. If we had people who actually understood O linemen; our offensive would be very tough to stop. Would be better like immediately. Would not take a step backwards. Let's just do it right away. If Policy has his act together; he would already have people in mind. Yeah, I'm tired of LaFlower's so called offensive philosophy. He doesn't know how to work with what he has. With reality in other words.

 

[Packers4ever]

The inability in crunch time to succeed is damning. The Bears are good but they are not that good. The Niners beat them in crunch time and the Lions did not fall into their trap.

MLF time has expired in Green bay, players can not get used to losing at the last minute, very demoralizing to lose the last 4 games and lose when u r in the lead 21-3 at hapf time
pattern need to be change at GB if you want to win again, MLF is not a leader , packers will never see another SB with him as HC

 

[scooter_1954]

First kick was long distance in cold wind. Extremely high difficulty. Missed XP was a poor hold by Whelan. He put the ball down about 2-3" too far to the right. Third one was all McManus. None of the are the reason we lost.

Seriously, bro? The first kick, he got a do-over after missing the first one when the Bears called a late time out. AND THEN MISSED AGAIN IN THE SAME PLACE! He missed a PAT wide left AGAIN! Then missed ANOTHER VERY MAKEABLE FG! That's 7 points he cost us, and we lost by 4. ALL OF WHICH, are the reason we lost. SEVEN POINTS ON MISSED KICKS!

But, to be fair, he had help. MLF is a poor coach, failing to inspire and discipline his team. AND, the refs irritated me last night. Love got smashed in the head on a critical play, but no call, and Musgrave was shoved so hard in the end zone, he literally fell on his butt. That was PI in the end zone, which means 1st and goal from the one. But no call! Inexplicable and inexcusable!

But make no mistake. Any two of the kicks made and it changes the game. McManus was a liability, and cost us the game.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LaFlower

 

[Packers4ever]

What i saw last night was an embarrassment of poor coaching and execution. An Interception on 4th and long costing us 25 yds of field position, TWO missed FGs and A PAT, foolish unnecessary roughness penalty, a ludicrous kickoff return permitted in a crucial situation giving the Bears a short field, false start on 3rd and long leading to a missed FG, dropped passes in critical situations, a delay of game coming out of a timeout. I've had enough of LaFleur!

hopefully the top brass at GB realize that 4 losses in a row and embarrassment loss last night will send a message time to move on from MLF

 

[Packers4ever]

Seriously, bro? The first kick, he got a do-over after missing the first one when the Bears called a late time out. AND THEN MISSED AGAIN IN THE SAME PLACE! He missed a PAT wide left AGAIN! Then missed ANOTHER VERY MAKEABLE FG! That's 7 points he cost us, and we lost by 4. ALL OF WHICH, are the reason we lost. SEVEN POINTS ON MISSED KICKS!

But, to be fair, he had help. MLF is a poor coach, failing to inspire and discipline his team. AND, the refs irritated me last night. Love got smashed in the head on a critical play, but no call, and Musgrave was shoved so hard in the end zone, he literally fell on his butt. That was PI in the end zone, which means 1st and goal from the one. But no call! Inexplicable and inexcusable!

But make no mistake. Any two of the kicks made and it changes the game. McManus was a liability, and cost us the game.

McManus was a liability but it should have never come to that when you had such a lead in half time , horrible game managing from MLF , after all the buck stops with him, specially since he was the play called too

 

[Packers4ever]

Cool, then fire his useless a** then!

why wait a year, do it now , time to move on

 

[DoURant]

Exactly. It’s the same thing year after year. The organization is becoming more and more complacent. For them, making the playoffs is good enough. I wouldn’t be shocked if they extended MLFs contract. McCarthy had to absolutely crash and burn before they fired him. Ugh, this season just made me sick to my stomach

Well LaFleur absolutely crashed and burned down the stretch, so maybe that will be his ticket out of here

 

[DoURant]

Actually though, the two interceptions were worthless and one was definitely worse than just knocking it down.

Both occurred on 4th down plays, and yes, one cost us 27 yards in field position. Now that specific one, we eventually ended up scoring a TD, but regardless, it was still a bad football play/decision.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Seriously, bro? The first kick, he got a do-over after missing the first one when the Bears called a late time out. AND THEN MISSED AGAIN IN THE SAME PLACE!

Actually, he MADE the first kick. Not that it mattered, but it seemed important to you.

 

[gopkrs]

Both occurred on 4th down plays, and yes, one cost us 27 yards in field position. Now that specific one, we eventually ended up scoring a TD, but regardless, it was still a bad football play/decision.

It's indicative of how they are coached. Not much situational awareness.

 

[scooter_1954]

Both occurred on 4th down plays, and yes, one cost us 27 yards in field position. Now that specific one, we eventually ended up scoring a TD, but regardless, it was still a bad football play/decision.

The second one, I kinda get, because he intercepted that ball, and was one step from A LOT OF GRASS down the sideline. It was "potentially " a pick six, but he got tripped from behind. I get that. The first one was just a thoughtless, no discipline, decision. Fortunately, it didn't hurt us!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's indicative of how they are coached. Not much situational awareness.

Much like Nixon deciding to leap onto a pile and drawing a personal foul. I mean who does that? This is something you learn in High School football not to do.

I have to hand it to the Bears. Even when they were getting their butts kicked on the scoreboard, they were delivering some big hits, some that I thought were out of bounds and late, but they got away with it. I know a lot of people love Hafley, but I never really saw that anger and toughness from our defense. If I did, it was usually delivered in the wrong way, after the whistle and in boneheaded ways.

 

[scooter_1954]

Actually, he MADE the first kick. Not that it mattered, but it seemed important to you.

That is incorrect! He missed it, wide left. He missed both, kick and rekick! I remember thinking the Bears screwed themselves, after giving him a second chance. But, no matter if he missed or made the first, he had a practice kick, THEN missed the money kick. And I will concede, it was a long kick, his most difficult chance of the night, but he blew it.

And yes, it was important to me. He's a professional kicker, playing for my favorite team, and he failed to perform his job, costing us the game. It doesn't get any less clear than that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That is incorrect! He missed it, wide left. He missed both, kick and rekick! And yes, it was important to me. He's a professional kicker, playing for my favorite team, and he failed to perform his job, costing us the game. It doesn't get any less complicated than that.

Well then, Al Michaels got it wrong (twice), because before I posted you that, I went back and watched it.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If there ever was a time for Love to throw up one of his sky ball passes he's noted for the last play of the game was it. Just find a place where you have some receivers in the EZ and make it a jump ball play. Instead he threw a line drive the was very close to the ground when it got to the EZ.
Not saying Love didnt play well...he did , so that was good to see.....anyway Im good with the way the season ended....gives policy more reason to find a new leader who knows how to win the big, important games .

That's a good point about that last pass. It should have been thrown a lot higher. The Bears had dropped 8 guys into coverage. Love had no real pressure. A Hail Mary was needed. But this loss isn't on Love.

Consensus on this forum seems to be - it's time to make a break from MLF. I agree. He had his chances, but just couldn't get a deep playofff run going. And considering his claim-to-fame as a coach - solid performance from the offense - that never materialized when it qas truly needed in the playoffs. The opposite - there was not a lot of creativity in his play calling.

And I'm ok as well with this season. A lot of early promise gave way to big, big injury losses. Not an excuse, well at least not a good one. This is still a very talented team. Fix the CB group, tighten up the starting OL, add depth at DE and DT, and find a new STs coach. Easier said then done, but most of this is doable nonetheless.

 

[gopkrs]

Well then, Al Michaels got it wrong, because before I posted you that, I went back and watched it.

I sure thought Michaels got it wrong. He clearly yanked it and then dis the same thing again

 

[scooter_1954]

Well then, Al Michaels got it wrong, because before I posted you that, I went back and watched it.

What Michael's got right or wrong, is not relevant. What is relevant is this, he had a practice kick, and he still missed the one that mattered. If you wish to excuse it away, feel free. Personally, I hate paying a guy to make kicks, then watch him give away 7 points in missed kicks.

 

[scooter_1954]

I sure thought Michaels got it wrong. He clearly yanked it and then dis the same thing again

^^^^^THIS!

 

[scooter_1954]

Yes, Michael's got it wrong. Here's a web search result.

"Brandon McManus missed a 55-yard field goal attempt just before halftime in the Packers' playoff loss to the Bears, but the kick was not counted because the Bears called a timeout just before the snap.
He then attempted the kick again and missed it wide left.
This occurred during a dominant first half for the Packers, who led 21-3 at the break."

So, if you want to get picky, the guy we pay to make kicks, didn't miss three last night, he missed FOUR!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What Michael's got right or wrong, is not relevant. What is relevant is this, he had a practice kick, and he still missed the one that mattered. If you wish to excuse it away, feel free. Personally, I hate paying a guy to make kicks, then watch him give away 7 points in missed kicks.

So now you are moving the goal post?

Like I said, the first kick didn't matter, but it seemed important to your point and you said it twice yourself. CBS disagrees with you too (below).

I am not making any excuses for McManus, I just don't like when people present a false narrative to try and make their point.

That missed 55 yarder didn't bother me all that much, the missed XP and 44 yarder, that bothered me.

"After missing just one kick in his first five playoff games, he melted down in Chicago with three misses against the Bears. The first miss by McManus came on the final play before halftime. He actually hit a 55-yard field goal, but it didn't count, because Bears coach Ben Johnson called a timeout. McManus then tried the kick again and sent it wide left. Considering the cold weather and the wind, it's hard to hold this miss against him, but things only got uglier after that."

Packers kicking meltdown: Brandon McManus reacts after missing three kicks in shocking playoff loss to Bears

Green Bay kicker cost his team seven points on missed kicks

www.cbssports.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

^^^^^THIS!

There you go again.

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