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Barnett Files Grievance

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by PackOne, Dec 26, 2007.

  1. trippster

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    Yeah, and all the completion and yardage records don't count for anything either.....please.

    How can you even try and pretend with a straight face that Favre is only good and not great. He is easily in the top 5 of all time QB's and probably either one or two.
     
  2. PackOne

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    Don't worry BearPerspective, Arena ball should start soon. In the meantime I will be watching the NFL playoffs. Football is football - right?
     
  3. Buckeyepackfan

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    How many Chicago QB records does that "good: qb from Green Bay hold? Oh that's right almost all of them!!!

    I predict The Bears will go through at least another 3 qb's before Brett retires, of course that will only take to the middle of next year.

    What's the matter BPS, isn't there anyone on the Bears forum to cry with????
     
  4. IronMan

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    Favre td passes since 1992: 440

    Bears qbs: 267

    Years of note:
    In 2004 5 Bears qbs COMBINED for 9 td passes. Favre had 30
    In 2003 3 Bears qbs combined for 12 td passes. Favre had 32

    Shall I continue? Of course.

    In 1993 4 Bears qbs combined for 7 td passes. (Kramer had all 7) Wow that is really pathetic. Favre had 19

    edit: I just had to double check the 1993 stats. I thought maybe the Bears only played half the season or something. Nope, they played 16 games, and only 7 td passes. :lol:
     
  5. KGB94SACKEM

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    LOL, Another Chicago fan who can't see past his jealousy. Luckily the other 99% of america think he's one of the best ever.
     
  6. Zero2Cool

    Zero2Cool I own a website

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    I had to see this for myself.

    I have to say that nobody mentions this because it did not happen. Barnett was not near the ballcarrier. He had #75 of the Bears between him and the runner.

    The OL and Barnett were tussling a bit on the ground and the OL leaned a bit on Barnett and he shoved him back. That's about when the ref entered the picture.

    Barnett should have been the bigger man in the situation, that I agree with.
     
  7. Greg C.

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    Sorry. I thought it was the ballcarrier who he shoved after the whistle. But I don't see that it makes any difference who he shoved. The ref's reaction did seem excessive, but I'm having a hard time finding any sympathy in my heart for Barnett.
     
  8. longtimefan

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  9. Zero2Cool

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    Well, your description led me to believe both men were standing up and Barnett shoved him to the ground. When in fact, from what I saw both men were sitting on the ground and Barnett shoved the OL as he was moving toward getting up.

    I'm not asking to find sympathy, I'm just trying to give accurate information as I saw it.
     
  10. Greg C.

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    I said "shoved him into the ground," not "shoved him to the ground." I thought that covered it. It was not a big deal, but on the other hand, it was unnecessary.
     
  11. Zombieslayer

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    I agree, Heather.

    The ref crossed the line and I heard rumors that the NFL will discipline him.

    If the refs had a problem with what Barnett did, throw a penalty flag and threaten to expel him from the game. Tackling him was just plain wrong.
     
  12. Zero2Cool

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    I'd rather be shoved TO the ground rather than INTO it. I mean, heck, to it at least you're not INTO it. Huge difference there.

    LB vs RB
    LB vs OL

    Hmmm....
     
  13. BearPerspective

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    Wow. You country bumpkins sure are a stupid lot, who cant grasp even the most obvious statements of sarcasm. Jesus, the stereotypes are true. Hey, who has the INT record, by the way?
     
  14. BearPerspective

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    BTW guys, how many fights does a frustrated, losing Barnett have to attempt to start before a ref can pull him off of one? Just curious.
     
  15. longtimefan

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    maybe YOU know the answer since you brought it up?
     
  16. cheesey

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    Huh? You mean all 400 plus bounced off defenders??? Yeah.......ok. :roll:

    Urlacher is a good LB. I won't argue with that.
    Some of the Packer players said Chicago was doing some dirty stuff........that might have added to the extra frustration of Barnett and others. But what do you expect from a Packers/Bears game? It's closer to old time football then you can get.
    They won........it's behind us, so lets get on to the business at hand. Beating the Lions, and then the playoffs!
     
  17. Zombieslayer

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    He is currently 2nd best QB in the NFC. The fans and pros who voted in the Pro Bowl think I'm wrong and he's the best QB in the NFC.

    What is your definition of great? 3 MVPs and the runner up in MVP balloting this year do not qualify as great? Nor does the all-time leader in Wins, Attempts, Completions, Yards, and TDs? Nor does the all-time leader in consecutive starts for a QB?

    Are you talking about his career or this year? Over his career, his TD to INT ratio has been outstanding, and that's even including his 2 horrible years in '05 and '06.

    If you're talking about this year, 26 TDs to 15 INTs. That's actually quite good, despite the two turds he dropped against your favorite team. Is he not great this year because he's only the runner up in MVP balloting and not the winner?

    Your criteria for the word "great" seems a little strict. I've always seen great as outstanding, and if I were to select active QBs who qualify for that title, I'd put Brady, P Manning, and Favre in there and Romo would be in there in a few years barring injury.
     
  18. dhpackr

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    just b/c a person files a greviance the refs should not hold that against the player
     
  19. Zombieslayer

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    True. This would be high on the list of unprofessionalism if they did.
     
  20. pack_in_black

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    I'd file a grievance too, if this happened to me. Refs shouldn't tackle a grown-*** man from behind, unless there is potential for injury looming. It was some back-and-forth ticky tack shoving, and the guy overreacted like it was the onset of a bench-clearing brawl.

    With the method that he "restrained" Nick, he could have damaged his windpipe, strained his neck, blown out his knee, sprained his back, broke his fibula or tibia, etc. It was a combo sleeper/facemask/horsecollar tackle, and if a player had done the same thing during play, it would've been a 15-yard penaly, plus a fine and possible game suspension. JMHO
     
  21. Zombieslayer

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    Agreed.

    As someone who used to NHB wrestle, you have to be careful putting someone in a hold like that. You can seriously injure someone that way.
     
  22. nathaniel

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    Sorry if this has been mentioned, but I just read that Barnett is NOT filing a greviance. His agent said they aren't even looking for an apology from the ref.
     
  23. Heatherthepackgirl

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    Thanks Zombie!! Your post was great, I totally agree.
     
  24. DGB454

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    OK.... Too many TDs bouncing off defenders? That happens occasionally but not that often. Favre is a great QB. Check his stats.

    On to Urlacher... IMO he is a great linebacker. If he weren't playing for the Bears I would like him more. He is a leader and the face of the Bears. I have seen him almost single-handedly turn around a game. His intensity inspires everyone around him. If anyone on the Bears defense ran an interception back for a TD I'm glad it was him. Wasn't that his first TD? If these are his last few years as a player then I'm glad he got the chance to run one in. (even if it was at our expense.) That play didn't hurt us anyway. We had already lost the game by then.
     
  25. 4thand26

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    The ref was way out of line.

    Favre is a great qb. That is a FACT, so it cant be discussed.

    Urlacher is a good lb. He is not typical of a linebacker in that he isnt going to push through a blocker to make a play. He can run side to side very well. He can drop into coverage very well. Future HOF? I would say 60% chance.
     

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