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Barbre and Giacomini, end of the line?

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  1. ivo610

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    Green Bay Packers' Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini may be at end of line | greenbaypressgazette.com | Green Bay Press-Gazette

    The Green Bay Packers are running out of patience with Breno Giacomini and Allen Barbre, and both seem to know it.

    Drafted a year apart — Barbre in the fourth round in 2007 and Giacomini in the fifth round in 2008 — neither has developed and neither is close to pushing for a starting job in camp this summer.

    Giacomini hardly has played, appearing in just one regular-season game in two years. Barbre has played but couldn’t keep a job. He won the right tackle spot over Giacomini last summer but was a turnstile in pass protection, yielding seven sacks in seven starts before losing his job.

    Both have reached a critical point in their careers. With the best depth on the offensive line in Mike McCarthy’s five seasons as the Packers head coach, both Barbre and Giacomini have slipped so far down the depth chart that they’re in danger of hitting the waiver wire when final cuts are made on Sept. 5.

    When asked whether the two have reached the point where the team has to say with certainty that they either can or can’t play, offensive line coach James Campen said: “That’s not a question I’m comfortable answering.”

    A close inspection of each player probably answers that question.

    In Giacomini’s case, the game film tells the story. While the coaches have raved about his improvements in practice, which was evident again on Tuesday when he won his only one-on-one rep of the day against rookie defensive end C.J. Wilson, that hasn’t carried over to the games. Playing right tackle with the second-string line, Giacomini has allowed a sack in each of the first two preseason games.

    “If you’re going to play offensive tackle in the National Football League, you’re going to have to be able to block defensive ends in pass protection,” offensive coordinator Joe Philbin said. “That’s a primary job requirement, and you’ve got to be able to do it on a consistent basis. He’s playing better than he’s ever played since he’s been here. I like what he’s doing in a lot of areas, but that’s certainly something we’re going to be watching closely, the ability to hold up on the edge without three guys helping you.

    “You can’t average one sack a game and maintain a position. If everybody did that, we’d be in a lot of trouble.”

    For two years, the Packers have kept Giacomini on potential. They love his size (6-foot-7, 318 pounds) and think he has the perfect right tackle body, but so far he hasn’t been able to take the same level of play from practice into the games.

    “Breno’s done a good job; he just needs to get rid of that one play,” Campen said. “You can do pretty well 40 times, and you give up one sack and a lot of people think it was a bad game.”

    Giacomini should have two more opportunities to show progress. The starters are expected to play the first half on Thursday against Indianapolis, but Giacomini and the rest of the second-string line could get the entire second half. In the preseason finale on Sept. 2 at Kansas City, the starters might only play a series or two.

    “I can’t keep giving up a few plays here and there,” Giacomini said. “That can’t happen. You won’t play in this league for long, and I understand that. I think I have to perform this week and next week. I just have to go out there and be me. I can’t keep doing this.”

    Barbre’s problem is he might not even be able to play. He felt a twinge in his lower back in the second half of Saturday’s game at Seattle and missed both practices this week. He’s unlikely to play against the Colts.

    “I’ve just got to continue to work hard and if I’m here, I’m very thankful,” Barbre said. “If not, I understand it’s part of the business. Hopefully I’m here. This is where I want to be.”

    Barbre has been backing up both left tackle and left guard, but he’s third on the depth chart at both spots. Rookie Bryan Bulaga has been the top backup at left tackle, while Bulaga and Daryn Colledge are competing for the left guard job.

    “He’s improved,” Campen said of Barbre. “He’s probably a little better inside (at guard) than outside (at tackle.) It’s unfortunate that he missed these last two days. He has improved, and he’s doing his job.”

    The Packers will keep either nine or 10 linemen, and there are probably seven locks, barring a trade. That leaves Barbre and Giacomini in a group of about five players fighting for one or two spots. Also in that group are T.J. Lang, Evan Dietrich-Smith — both of whom were on the roster last season — and rookie Marshall Newhouse, who has shown significant improvement in the last two weeks.
     
  2. Green_Bay_Packers

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    I was going to ask who they were but the article said who they were, if they cant keep Rodgers on his feet then we have no real need for them do we?
     
  3. PackersRS

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    Throw in Bush in there and I'm a happy man.
     
  4. ivo610

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    I read somewhere he is on the way out.
     
  5. Mushroom

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    Amen, RS....
     
  6. turbo69

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    There is a GOD. :prayer:
     
  7. aaronqb

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    Go Packers
     
  8. JBlood

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    Campen says Barbre is "a little better" at guard than tackle. This is the same guy who started him at R tackle last year over Guacamole--who can't play guard or tackle. This guy has had 5 years to develop a dominant offensive line and he still can't decide who's a tackle or who's a guard. A change in offensive line coaching would be welcomed regardless of who they decide to keep, imo.
     
  9. aaronqb

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    Go Packers this year.
     
  10. PackersRS

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    Wait wait wait.

    James Campen is a coach?

     
  11. VolvoD

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    Babre Bye Bye! That guy was really sucking things up last season...look at that first game against the bears last year. ugly perfomance in every way.
     
  12. JBlood

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    I think McCarthy is a good coach. But he has had trouble picking good assistants: Campen, Bob Sanders, Curt Shottenheimer, Mike Stock, ?Shawn Slocum?

    I think McCarthy is a very loyal person to those he knows, and finds it difficult to make changes. This trait may ultimately be his downfall.
     

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