Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Resources
Latest reviews
Search resources
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Open Football Discussion
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Bakhtiari to Jets?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 1024018" data-attributes="member: 6578"><p>Couple things...or thoughts.</p><p></p><p>Such bonuses as described for a per game to that degree with Bahk could have massive cap implications. Unless the league changed there are two types of incentives you can place in a contract and they hit the different caps:</p><p></p><p>Likely to be earned incentives (LTBE) are ones that the player reached in the prior year...so say you signed Bakh to a whole new deal...placing a $250,000 incentive if he reaches playing in 12 games would not fall into a LTBE because he didn't achieve it previously. However, say we decided to go out and sign Michael Pittman to a contract. He put up 1152 yards and 109 receptions. We could include in his contract $150,000 LTBE incentive for 1,000 yards and 100 receptions....now $300,000 would be calculated against that year's CAP (in this example 2024). IF he didn't achieve the receptions but met the yards, $150,000 would be credited on to the next year's CAP figure for the team.</p><p></p><p>Then there are Not Likely To Be Earned (NLTBE) and these are incentives which the player did not earn in the previous year - this monetary amount doesn't hit in that year's cap but the next years cap. So sticking with the Pittman example...say we tell him we will give you $250,000 incentive if you hit 1,300 and if you get 120 receptions. Both of those figures are things he did not do in 2023. So IF he were to meet both of those figures, half a million would come off our 2025 cap number. </p><p></p><p>This is why incentives are a nightmare, they can cause MASSIVE cap implications and not just in the present but in the future....this and the fact players want money not a chance at money is why while we have incentives in many contracts they are not millions and millions typically. Honestly, Love's play this year and hitting some of his likely NLTBE figures is lowering our cap space in 2024. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As for Jones, you have to look at his dead money...due to void years. Yes his dead cap is around 12 and his hit is around 17....but it isn't that clean. There is $6.6M already shoved into years he isn't under contract...so the wiggle room of doing an extension, saving us money and likely giving him some more guarantee (him and his agent ain't doing an extension for free lol) is limited. Arguably you could spread a couple million a year out in a two or three year extension, use one or two void years and keep shave his hit to like $13M or $14M next year.....maybe...and likely have to have a hit of $10+M in 2025 and close to that in 2026 to make it work.....which remind ourselves he is going to be 32 by then.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tynimiller, post: 1024018, member: 6578"] Couple things...or thoughts. Such bonuses as described for a per game to that degree with Bahk could have massive cap implications. Unless the league changed there are two types of incentives you can place in a contract and they hit the different caps: Likely to be earned incentives (LTBE) are ones that the player reached in the prior year...so say you signed Bakh to a whole new deal...placing a $250,000 incentive if he reaches playing in 12 games would not fall into a LTBE because he didn't achieve it previously. However, say we decided to go out and sign Michael Pittman to a contract. He put up 1152 yards and 109 receptions. We could include in his contract $150,000 LTBE incentive for 1,000 yards and 100 receptions....now $300,000 would be calculated against that year's CAP (in this example 2024). IF he didn't achieve the receptions but met the yards, $150,000 would be credited on to the next year's CAP figure for the team. Then there are Not Likely To Be Earned (NLTBE) and these are incentives which the player did not earn in the previous year - this monetary amount doesn't hit in that year's cap but the next years cap. So sticking with the Pittman example...say we tell him we will give you $250,000 incentive if you hit 1,300 and if you get 120 receptions. Both of those figures are things he did not do in 2023. So IF he were to meet both of those figures, half a million would come off our 2025 cap number. This is why incentives are a nightmare, they can cause MASSIVE cap implications and not just in the present but in the future....this and the fact players want money not a chance at money is why while we have incentives in many contracts they are not millions and millions typically. Honestly, Love's play this year and hitting some of his likely NLTBE figures is lowering our cap space in 2024. As for Jones, you have to look at his dead money...due to void years. Yes his dead cap is around 12 and his hit is around 17....but it isn't that clean. There is $6.6M already shoved into years he isn't under contract...so the wiggle room of doing an extension, saving us money and likely giving him some more guarantee (him and his agent ain't doing an extension for free lol) is limited. Arguably you could spread a couple million a year out in a two or three year extension, use one or two void years and keep shave his hit to like $13M or $14M next year.....maybe...and likely have to have a hit of $10+M in 2025 and close to that in 2026 to make it work.....which remind ourselves he is going to be 32 by then. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Members online
Pkrjones
SudsMcBucky
Latest posts
2024 3rd round #88 MarShawn Lloyd RB
Latest: Pokerbrat2000
26 minutes ago
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
H
Packers Hire New Defensive Coordinator: Jeff Hafley, formerly Head Coach, Boston College
Latest: Heyjoe4
48 minutes ago
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Breaking Down the NFC North, 2024
Latest: Krabs
Today at 6:41 AM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
I had This Nightmare
Latest: Calebs Revenge
Today at 6:32 AM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Kentucky Derby Day!
Latest: weeds
Today at 5:54 AM
All Other Sports
Forums
Open Football Discussion
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
Bakhtiari to Jets?
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top