Arizona - Studs and Duds

[Half Empty]

Hobbs is reminding me of Demarious Randall and Quinten Rollins. Both of whome after our disastrous NFC Championship Game against The Falcons were never seen or heard from again in the NFL.

Randall had a couple of fine years with Cleveland after GB, but at saftey, as many then figured he should be. Randall stats

Makes me wonder of Hobbs has some talent but they're asking him to do something else. I'm just a fan, but I see lots of references to him in the slot and, given the above, maybe safety?

 

[shockerx]

Can we just do care package... The rookie kicker, Hobbs, heath, Musgrave, a 6th and a Roy Hobbs rookie card. For any avg outside CB on any team other than the Raiders.

 

[tynimiller]

Can we just do care package... The rookie kicker, Hobbs, heath, Musgrave, a 6th and a Roy Hobbs rookie card. For any avg outside CB on any team other than the Raiders.

mentioning roy hobbs deserves a like. LOL

 

[RRyder]

Im pretty convinced Valentine slept with a coaches wife.

If anyone has a better reason why Hobbs is playing over him im all ears

 

[milani]

Gutekunst should use Musgrave as a throw in on a 2 for 1 trade to a TE needy team. Right now imo we come out ahead by him being on anyone else's roster besides ours.

And maybe find a DB.

 

[milani]

Rodgers is going to carve, slice and dice up the secondary.........

If he has time. But he will run short, quick ones first. If he gets the play action going he will shoot long.

 

[tynimiller]

Im pretty convinced Valentine slept with a coaches wife.

If anyone has a better reason why Hobbs is playing over him im all ears

Besides this the only other logical reason would be terrible discipline in meetings and at practice.....I swear if that it is, just fine him and on Sundays let him go play - dude is a GAMER

 

[Krabs]

Studs: Offense: Jacobs, Doubs, Kraft Defense: Parsons, Gary, Williams ST: Havrisik

Love was middling in this one, but did enough to win the game. Jacobs probably would have had an even bigger day if he wasn't on a snap count. I'm not a huge fan of Wilson. I said yesterday I'm not sure why we can't find a better backup running back. Some dude name Knight for the Cardinals even had a better day and he is like their 4th stringer. Doubs continues to get open and be productive. Kraft makes the most of his catches. Just a tough nosed guy. Glad he's a Packer. Parsons wrecked that game for the Cardinals. That was fun to watch. Williams continues to be a nuisance at Safety. He has a nose for the ball.

Duds: Offense: Wilson, an unimpressive 2.8 yards per carry. I'm not sure how many snaps Wicks was out there but he seemed nonexistent. Where the heck is Musgrave? Defense: Hobbs, he continues to struggle. He's constantly getting picked on. He never has been good on the outside. He is much more built for the slot. This is going to continue to be an issue.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Studs / Duds : The obvious ones that have been stated above - Parsons, Jacobs, Havrisik on the positive side. Hobbs on the negative.

But, I'll add -

Stud : MLF's aggressiveness. For this game his aggressiveness lead to the Packers winning. Doing something with 7 seconds left and going for it in the 4th which ultimately led to a TD helped the Packers get 10 points on the board. (Now granted, that 4th down call in the 4th where they called a TO before which made it a make or break play left something to be desired and MLF has a time management issue it seems, but that is why I put MLF's aggressiveness)

Dud : Vilma. I wanted to pull my hair out listening to him. Bringing up such awesome points like (paraphrasing) "If Brissett didn't have guys rushing him he would really be carving up the defense". Really... well I bet Jacobs would have had 500 yards rushing if the Cardinals just didn't tackle. Pretty sure after the game he allowed McBride to come over to sleep with a member of his family.

 

[badmamba12]

Studs

Parsons

Kraft


Duds

Hobbs and the rest of the secondary

Yes ,learn to tackle quit relying on help step it up professional don’t get it

 

[gopkrs]

Im pretty convinced Valentine slept with a coaches wife.

If anyone has a better reason why Hobbs is playing over him im all ears

Because they paid him and they play him no matter what

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Whoa!!! No, I had not looked at his stats, but I just did now, and you nailed it - 36 catches, 0 drops. What a season he's having so far.

Over 6 games, he has 36 catches, 302 yards, 4 TDs. Extrapolate that out over 17 games, you'd be looking at 102 catches, 855 yards, and 12 TDs. We haven't had those kinds of numbers from a WR since the Davante Days.

It's going to be hard to not extend him, much less trade him. I haven't noticed very much ''trade Doubs'' talk lately, come to think of it.

I've noticed a change in him. Last year he appeared to be quiet and withdrawn. This year he is animated and smiling a lot more.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Good point on the absence of the RPO, with Love in shotgun so often. Seems like MLF's play calling has gotten very predictable. There were some notable exceptions, like that 4th down conversion very late in the game. That was a ballsy call and the Packers executed very nicely.

From what I heard Love was able to change MLF's mind about kicking the FG and going for it on 4ht down. Kinda reminds me of Rodgers when he would talk to MM or MLF and the coach would change the play call.

 

[rmontro]

I don't consider your comments as being delivered from a soap box. You're right, and the CB situation is a disaster. To your point, with so many pressures and sacks, how on earth does an average, journeyman QB have a game like had?

I posted this several times during the game: That is was so irritating that our players get right up into the QB's face, but they still manage to fire off a perfect pass for a big gain or a first down. And it hasn't been only this week either. It's very frustrating, and it doesn't make sense. Maybe somebody needs to chew out the CBs.

 

[Magooch]

From what I heard Love was able to change MLF's mind about kicking the FG and going for it on 4ht down. Kinda reminds me of Rodgers when he would talk to MM or MLF and the coach would change the play call.

That's what I'm hearing too and I have mixed feelings tbh.

On one hand... good on Love for stepping up and speaking his mind there

On the other hand... it's kind of worrying to me that he HAD to do that in the first place, I guess?

 

[tynimiller]

That's what I'm hearing too and I have mixed feelings tbh.

On one hand... good on Love for stepping up and speaking his mind there

On the other hand... it's kind of worrying to me that he HAD to do that in the first place, I guess?

Love didn't say a word, MLF noticed how miffed he was visually and switched the decision. That specific moment I actually personally think the wiser call was field goal, but he Dan Campbell'd it and went!

 

[Magooch]

Love didn't say a word, MLF noticed how miffed he was visually and switched the decision. That specific moment I actually personally think the wiser call was field goal, but he Dan Campbell'd it and went!

Even more interesting

I guess I would say in a nutshell, my issue was that it felt like yesterday (and this has been somewhat a theme in recent weeks in general too) that it felt like LaFleur was just kind of all over the place with regards for when to be conservative vs aggressive. On one hand you have many instances where it feels he's calling things a little too predictable, but then swings too far the other direction. Like you'll go ultra-conservative with a slow developing outside rush on 3rd...and then dial up the aggression on 4th. Or call it conservative on 1st and 2nd and then dial up a low-percentage deep bomb on 3rd and short.

But I guess the short of it is...I think you might have actually mentioned as much elsewhere...it feels like LaFleur's "conservative vs aggressive" moments are largely down to him wanting to be a guy who wants to establish the running game to open up the passing game, and IMO the way this team is built it really would be better suited as a team who establishes the passing game to open up the running game...

I remember talking about the Bears a few weeks ago, how in the offseason they went out and retooled their OL and (for the most part) put a big emphasis on guys who lean towards pass pro , seemingly to give Caleb more pocket time upright. But then they would come out and want to play like Philly or something and try to do this smash mouth ground and pound game, but their guys just aren't built for that. Now these are two very different situations but I do see some similarities...I think we have a pass-first OL but often want to try and play like a run-first team and I just don't know how built we are to play that way. I think our best play is to come out aggressive, establish the passing game and then allow our run game to wear them down once we have already hopefully created some distance. Easier said than done though I suppose

 

[Pugger]

Disgree. Doubs is one concussion (play) from the end of his career.

Every time his head hits the ground while being tackled I hold my breath.

 

[Pugger]

Rodgers is going to carve, slice and dice up the secondary.........

Perhaps but he isn't as nimble as he once was so I hope this is the week our pass rush outside of Parsons comes to life.

 

[Guacamole]

Spot on V.

I'm concerned with the wide open space from the LOS to 10 yards out. It seems devoid of defenders.

And how could Hafley or the CBs not adjusted for McBride after his first TD? He was not covered on his second TD. How does that happen?

We talk about this a lot...Not really making adjustments @ halftime. When was the last time this team shut down any TE with hot hands?

 

[Voyageur]

We talk about this a lot...Not really making adjustments @ halftime. When was the last time this team shut down any TE with hot hands?

What bothers me most is that it's happening even when we are in a nickel defense. That puts speed in the coverage in that zone. I'm beginning to believe that Hafely is so concerned about the weakness of our CBs that he's forced to give them help on almost every play, never able to quite trust them in man coverage. In zone, they pick us apart in the middle. The sad part is I almost never see the Packers use a similar approach on offense. It's baffling.

 

[OldSchool101]

Can we just do care package... The rookie kicker, Hobbs, heath, Musgrave, a 6th and a Roy Hobbs rookie card. For any avg outside CB on any team other than the Raiders.

That’s Hilarious!

(except should be labeled the “mostly dead weight package”)

 

[GBkrzygrl]

What bothers me most is that it's happening even when we are in a nickel defense. That puts speed in the coverage in that zone. I'm beginning to believe that Hafely is so concerned about the weakness of our CBs that he's forced to give them help on almost every play, never able to quite trust them in man coverage. In zone, they pick us apart in the middle. The sad part is I almost never see the Packers use a similar approach on offense. It's baffling.

I find it interesting that last season people were saying that Hafley was a genius because the defense played so well. Now they are struggling just like previous years. What's different?

 

[Voyageur]

I find it interesting that last season people were saying that Hafley was a genius because the defense played so well. Now they are struggling just like previous years. What's different?

I think injuries and players adjusting to new roles, and the addition of Parsons has played into a lot of what we see on the field. I think that by the end of the season this defense will be as good, maybe better, than last year's version.

 

[Guacamole]

Rodgers is going to carve, slice and dice up the secondary.........

Wow...was I ever wrong!!