All duds panthers

[Pokerbrat2000]

This whole sentiment that everyone’s piling on Hafley like he’s a dead beat is ridiculous. The guy shouldn’t be dinged for a 16 point performance on a walk off. If any teams O can’t match 16 points they should just stay home and write forfeit letters. Hafley is an absolute Godsend

Hafley is coaching with 1 hand tied behind his back, IMO. His CB group might be the worst group that we have seen in GB in ages. His DT's group, outside of Wyatt is below average. So while he has some solid pieces with his DE's, LB's and McKinney, its hard to cover-up those 2 weaknesses.

I look for Gute to load up at CB and DT in the offseason.

 

[Voyageur]

Hafley is coaching with 1 hand tied behind his back, IMO. His CB group might be the worst group that we have seen in GB in ages. His DT's group, outside of Wyatt is below average. So while he has some solid pieces with his DE's, LB's and McKinney, its hard to cover-up those 2 weaknesses.

I look for Gute to load up at CB and DT in the offseason.

Two positions to draft early except we don't have an early pick. Round 2 & 3 definitely. The problem is, by the time you get to round 3 the real heavyweights who can be impact players are pretty much gone. You need to get lucky with a pick and develop them. We draft so late in the 3rd round that the pick will be around #90.

 

[tynimiller]

Two positions to draft early except we don't have an early pick. Round 2 & 3 definitely. The problem is, by the time you get to round 3 the real heavyweights who can be impact players are pretty much gone. You need to get lucky with a pick and develop them. We draft so late in the 3rd round that the pick will be around #90.

Those two positions are for sure not the types to need to try to draft two guys that will be plug and play ready day 1....everyone knows my philosophy is never expect a year 1 guy to just deliver right away...but I know others expect it.

CB in reality could still have some VERY good prospects that would for sure still elevate our room and DT on Day2 can have some guys that excel in one facet and need growth in another.

Just for fresh memory of the 2025 draft for DTs...second round saw Omarr Norman-Lott go who is showing he can contribute...third round had Darius Alexander and Jamaree Caldwell. Caldwell is looking like one of the best DTs in his entire class. 4th round had one of my draft crushes Deone Walker go and he has started 7 of 8 games for Buffalo and looks every bit the part of a future stud. So depth of DTs is usually there, but surefire day1 starters plummets typically quick.

CB from 2025 tells a similar story....you could have a Will Johnson (injury issue) drop and get a steal (which remember many of us wanted him first round), Trey Amos and Benjamin Morrison both while not playing like world changers are getting starts and were second rounders...third round is where I'm the most pissed....Nohl Williams was a guy everyone likely remembers me falling in love with, he went 85th and has been awesome for KC...also saw Jacob Parrish (albeit slot) go who again has been awesome mostly for TB.

Both positions for sure could be addressed but man hitting on both would be awesome but likely low probability.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Given Gute's propensity to dip into the Free Agent market, I believe that he will go after a DT and possibly a CB in Free Agency. The problem with CB's in free agency, the good ones are usually priced way too high.

 

[tynimiller]

Given Gute's propensity to dip into the Free Agent market, I believe that he will go after a DT and possibly a CB in Free Agency. The problem with CB's in free agency, the good ones are usually priced way too high.

Yeah, this is actually one reason why it'd be cool for a reunion with Rasul if we can get him for not a lot...at 31 he'd be a rental for one year this year but you could easily extend him if he looks healthy and give him some $2M-$3M security into next year too.

IF we wanted. Get that veteran in, roll forward and add a Top 100 pick likely, plus hope Hobbs can improve and you got Melton and Hadden also you hope would improve.

 

[Voyageur]

Yeah, this is actually one reason why it'd be cool for a reunion with Rasul if we can get him for not a lot...at 31 he'd be a rental for one year this year but you could easily extend him if he looks healthy and give him some $2M-$3M security into next year too.

IF they could get Douglas for one year with a second-year team option at a bit higher figure that would be perfect. It would give the Packers time to rebuild the position without spending too much in the process. I think Rasul would accept a reasonable offer at this point. This would take the Packers past the loss of first round picks for Parsons.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Than I guess good thing those spoiled fans claim to be fans of one of the teams which win more than nearly any NFL team has for the last three decades….

When a pro team stinks it up, should they be given a free pass because of past success? In many cases the people that were responsible for the past success aren't even around anymore.

I think that pro sports teams should be held to high standards. When they stink it up, they should feel the heat. Hard to believe that any fan base is "spoiled" when you factor in the high costs. How many families can afford a Packer game anymore? Even with the "cheaper" seats, taking a family of 5 to a Packer game is going to cost $500 or much more.

 

[tynimiller]

When a pro team stinks it up, should they be given a free pass because of past success? In many cases the people that were responsible for the past success aren't even around anymore.

I think that pro sports teams should be held to high standards. When they stink it up, they should feel the heat. Hard to believe that any fan base is "spoiled" when you factor in the high costs. How many families can afford a Packer game anymore? Even with the "cheaper" seats, taking a family of 5 to a Packer game is going to cost $500 or much more.

Of course you don't ignore when they struggle, but I'm sure as hell not being such a fool as to leave a game with ten minutes left.....

 

[Voyageur]

Of course you don't ignore when they struggle, but I'm sure as hell not being such a fool as to leave a game with ten minutes left.....

When a pro team stinks it up, should they be given a free pass because of past success? In many cases the people that were responsible for the past success aren't even around anymore.

I think that pro sports teams should be held to high standards. When they stink it up, they should feel the heat. Hard to believe that any fan base is "spoiled" when you factor in the high costs. How many families can afford a Packer game anymore? Even with the "cheaper" seats, taking a family of 5 to a Packer game is going to cost $500 or much more.

For everyone fan who thinks the Packers are stinking it up and don't want to pay for tickets, there are several more who would be more than happy to buy the tickets because they know that the Packers may be knocked down but they don't stay down. A real fan has gone through the ups and downs for decades and know that's how it works in the NFL.

The salary cap and the draft make it difficult to stay at or near the top year after year, and if a person has only been a Packer fan since the 90s, their totally spoiled and haven't got a clue what it means to be there to support the team when they're down. To those that want to see the Packers clean house because they don't win the Lombardi Trophy every year I can only say that real fans are those that are there, filling seats in stadiums, when the team can only win one or two games a year. They're there for the team, not because of their own pumped up version of win it all or you stink. And by the way. I'm one of those fans who has bought shares every time they've come up during my lifetime, and held onto 4 season tickets in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, where only the 60s were seasons where we were at the top of our game. Not once did I consider giving up those tickets because they didn't win it all.

But that's just my opinion. We're each entitled to our own.

 

[tynimiller]

For everyone fan who thinks the Packers are stinking it up and don't want to pay for tickets, there are several more who would be more than happy to buy the tickets because they know that the Packers may be knocked down but they don't stay down. A real fan has gone through the ups and downs for decades and know that's how it works in the NFL.

The salary cap and the draft make it difficult to stay at or near the top year after year, and if a person has only been a Packer fan since the 90s, their totally spoiled and haven't got a clue what it means to be there to support the team when they're down. To those that want to see the Packers clean house because they don't win the Lombardi Trophy every year I can only say that real fans are those that are there, filling seats in stadiums, when the team can only win one or two games a year. They're there for the team, not because of their own pumped up version of win it all or you stink. And by the way. I'm one of those fans who has bought shares every time they've come up during my lifetime, and held onto 4 season tickets in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, where only the 60s were seasons where we were at the top of our game. Not once did I consider giving up those tickets because they didn't win it all.

But that's just my opinion. We're each entitled to our own.

Honestly, and this is going to be crazy I admit.....I'd accept a four or five year period of sucking just to prune our fan tree of some of the clueless ones....

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah, for sure this game's failure was on the offense, and probably MLF's play calling and game plan.

I’ll be the first to say Jeff Hafley is not perfect. He has some minor flaws. That said there are 20-25 DC’s that have more flaws than him. It shows on the scoreboard.

 

[gopkrs]

It is sounding like there was a mass exodus. I have a tough time believing that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly, and this is going to be crazy I admit.....I'd accept a four or five year period of sucking just to prune our fan tree of some of the clueless ones....

That might prune some of them, but Lambeau Field has become a bucket list destination for many NFL fans. The secondary market for tickets is absolutely nuts and is probably what prompted the organization to start the policy of taking away season tickets from those season ticket holders that are just reselling them all. Not to mention the hope for some new seat license fees and keeping that waiting list turning.

Maybe it is because I am getting older, but the crowds at games seem younger and no offense to all the under 30 people out there, but learn some common stadium ettiquette.

1. You don't wear a big Cheesehead or other "hat" during the game, it blocks peoples view.

2. When you go out to empty all that beer you drank, don't get up in the middle of a play and try to stumble to the isle. Wait for a legit break and then get up and go. Same thing goes for when you return with your empty bladder and 2 fresh beers.

3. Why do you feel the need to stand for the entire fricking game?

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[OldSchool101]

For everyone fan who thinks the Packers are stinking it up and don't want to pay for tickets, there are several more who would be more than happy to buy the tickets because they know that the Packers may be knocked down but they don't stay down. A real fan has gone through the ups and downs for decades and know that's how it works in the NFL.

The salary cap and the draft make it difficult to stay at or near the top year after year, and if a person has only been a Packer fan since the 90s, their totally spoiled and haven't got a clue what it means to be there to support the team when they're down. To those that want to see the Packers clean house because they don't win the Lombardi Trophy every year I can only say that real fans are those that are there, filling seats in stadiums, when the team can only win one or two games a year. They're there for the team, not because of their own pumped up version of win it all or you stink. And by the way. I'm one of those fans who has bought shares every time they've come up during my lifetime, and held onto 4 season tickets in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, where only the 60s were seasons where we were at the top of our game. Not once did I consider giving up those tickets because they didn't win it all.

But that's just my opinion. We're each entitled to our own.

Exactly. Listen if I had told you most fans before the season that after 8 games the Packers would
1. Lead our Division
2. Be stumbling at times but still winning while doing it
3. Have 2 losses and both were walk off FG’s of 57 and 49 yards against mediocre teams.
4. Offense 8th in yards 11th in points
5. Defense 5th in yards 7th in points

Any normal, common sense person would think that Fans giving up on the season or asking for MLF’s resignation were a little Looney Tuned.

Heck I believed that before this game!

 

[OldSchool101]

Honestly, and this is going to be crazy I admit.....I'd accept a four or five year period of sucking just to prune our fan tree of some of the clueless ones....

I’d like to Volunteer! I’ll even bring my own Pruning Shears

My favorite response of certain fans who are regularly and overly critical to the point they can’t enjoy the games unless we win by 4 scores.
“I wouldn’t be a fan if I didn’t highly criticize them and hold them to the standard of perfectionism”!

Try doing that with your Spouse and seeing how it works out. . Heck do it to yourself while you’re at it!
Good Luck!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Of course you don't ignore when they struggle, but I'm sure as hell not being such a fool as to leave a game with ten minutes left.....

A ONE score game at that. Your team is 5-1-1 and down by 7 points and you leave with 10 minutes left? Oh and it was 50 degrees, not snowing or raining.

 

[OldSchool101]

A ONE score game at that. Your team is 5-1-1 and down by 7 points and you leave with 10 minutes left? Oh and it was 50 degrees, not snowing or raining.

I really thought we might log another 4th Qtr come from behind Victory or Game winning drive or both. Jordan already has 2 to 3 of each.

I used to think before the season it was good to have lots of 4th qtr come from behind victories or at least a game winning drives. I’ve come to realize that resilience is overrated. I learned this first hand through my in-game increased levels of blood pressure, mood disorders and serotonin imbalances levels.. that come from behind performances are not exactly the sign of a NFL powerhouse!

No thanks I’d prefer just to be ahead 2 scores in the 4th!

 

[DoURant]

Of course you don't ignore when they struggle, but I'm sure as hell not being such a fool as to leave a game with ten minutes left.....

Those people probably got their tickets from a family member... for free. With the price of tickets, I'm staying til the end, don't care the score.

 

[rmontro]

I won't remove either of your factors but it is not fair to not include player execution as well.

When I said "offense", I would include player execution.

 

[tynimiller]

When I said "offense", I would include player execution.

Makes sense.

 

[Pugger]

Personally I think it was just an off week. Luckily our “off” weeks are tie games with no time left. I know it’s tough when we’re favorites. However it beats the alternative Loss of multiple scores. Our 2 losses were decided by literally 1 play.

To this point imo we have not played our best game. Week 1 was closest but it’s Week 1. We’ve played really good in 1 aspect and struggled in another. The next week it’s reverse. We need to find our footing and play a complete game. Even with Steelers it was complete.., FOR ONE HALF! We’ve Won in every peculiar way possible.

For me this speaks more to lack of discipline and lacking continuity than it does to lack of playmakers or talent level. It would not surprise me at all if we go toe to toe with Philly or even beat them. We’re just weird that way. No consistency week to week. Look at Steelers, there are obviously not a bad team and we just handled them in 2 Quarters. They had no answers just look at Rodgers face.

This is a strange season. We handle the Steelers one week and then they go and manhandle the 7-1 Colts...

 

[tynimiller]

Those people probably got their tickets from a family member... for free. With the price of tickets, I'm staying til the end, don't care the score.

I'd likely be there when the cleaning crew starts....

 

[Pugger]

They probably cut to commercials, as soon as they could. Plus, they filter out a lot of crowd noise. Those air Sirens that they use at Soldier field and a few other stadiums, deafening. Honestly, I wish stadiums would stop piping in all the loud sounds and music. For me, it's as annoying as hell.

And can wreck your hearing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Those people probably got their tickets from a family member... for free. With the price of tickets, I'm staying til the end, don't care the score.

I believe that you are correct. A lot of the people that leave early seem to be long time season ticket holders, that have been to more than their share of Packer games. They would rather beat traffic, then watch those final minutes. If you have ever gotten stuck in Green Bay traffic for an agonizing hour after a game, you probably can relate. There are not many sidewalks in GB, so fans seem to like to just walk slowly in the middle of the roads, which also slows up traffic. Not to mention that dependent on which way out of GB you are headed, even when you get out of GB, traffic is super slow for the first hour. So yeah, I get why some leave early, and I have as well. That said, if its a close game, I'm staying until it is decided.

 

[Pugger]

Two positions to draft early except we don't have an early pick. Round 2 & 3 definitely. The problem is, by the time you get to round 3 the real heavyweights who can be impact players are pretty much gone. You need to get lucky with a pick and develop them. We draft so late in the 3rd round that the pick will be around #90.

Not if we keep playing like we did against Carolina...