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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 844361"><p>The first thing to none about all of Kapadia's data you cite is that it can be objectively determined if one assumes Elias's crediting of sacks and hits is objective. Whether a pass attempt actually travelled 19 or 20 yards might require a subjective determination, but those would be uncommon. Sacks and hits are official and semi-official numbers at any rate.</p><p> </p><p>PFF includes "hurries" in their pressure stats, which are subjective determinations, whereas Kapadia evidently does not. It would not be unusual for a pass rusher to be credited with more hurries than sacks+hits. To illustrate, see last last season's PFF pressure leaders (sacks and hits taken from pro-football-reference.com):</p><p></p><p>Donald: 106 = 20.5 sacks + 41 hits, with an implied hurry count of 44.5 </p><p>Cox: 95 = 10.5 sacks + 34 hits, with an implied hurry count of 50.4</p><p>Ford: 78 = 13 sacks + 29 hits, with an implied hurry count of 36</p><p></p><p>It's not hard to imagine a guy racking up a bunch of hurries per snap without a like number of sacks and hits over a small sample size of two games as is evidently the case with Z.</p><p></p><p>Why hurries? I can't find the PFF claim at the moment but according to their data the league-wide completion rates and QB ratings drop meaningfully when hurried, which stands to reason. Hurries have value.</p><p></p><p>A few years back PFF produced tables where they scored players on their pressures (as the distinct from their every-play grades), allocating 1.0 point for a sack, 0.75 points for a hit and 0.75 points for a hurry. I found this to be odd in that hurries seemed to be grossly overvalued. I haven't seen this table produced for public consumption in quite a while, but there is circumstantial evidence that they do value hurries fairly high in their grades.</p><p></p><p>As the #2 pressure guy in the league through Week 2 according to PFF, with a relatively high hurry count with comparative low sacks+hits, it's worth noting their overall grade for Z. is a high 85.0, a Pro Bowl level number:</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/zadarius-smith/9555" target="_blank">https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/zadarius-smith/9555</a></p><p></p><p>While we don't get a pass/run breakdown in that link, it is fair to assume the pass rush grade is very high.</p><p></p><p>So, if the eye test tells you Z. is playing darn good football despite pedestrian sack+hit count (a total of 5), then you would find yourself in agreement with PFF's subjective grading elements that Kapadia does not attempt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 844361"] The first thing to none about all of Kapadia's data you cite is that it can be objectively determined if one assumes Elias's crediting of sacks and hits is objective. Whether a pass attempt actually travelled 19 or 20 yards might require a subjective determination, but those would be uncommon. Sacks and hits are official and semi-official numbers at any rate. PFF includes "hurries" in their pressure stats, which are subjective determinations, whereas Kapadia evidently does not. It would not be unusual for a pass rusher to be credited with more hurries than sacks+hits. To illustrate, see last last season's PFF pressure leaders (sacks and hits taken from pro-football-reference.com): Donald: 106 = 20.5 sacks + 41 hits, with an implied hurry count of 44.5 Cox: 95 = 10.5 sacks + 34 hits, with an implied hurry count of 50.4 Ford: 78 = 13 sacks + 29 hits, with an implied hurry count of 36 It's not hard to imagine a guy racking up a bunch of hurries per snap without a like number of sacks and hits over a small sample size of two games as is evidently the case with Z. Why hurries? I can't find the PFF claim at the moment but according to their data the league-wide completion rates and QB ratings drop meaningfully when hurried, which stands to reason. Hurries have value. A few years back PFF produced tables where they scored players on their pressures (as the distinct from their every-play grades), allocating 1.0 point for a sack, 0.75 points for a hit and 0.75 points for a hurry. I found this to be odd in that hurries seemed to be grossly overvalued. I haven't seen this table produced for public consumption in quite a while, but there is circumstantial evidence that they do value hurries fairly high in their grades. As the #2 pressure guy in the league through Week 2 according to PFF, with a relatively high hurry count with comparative low sacks+hits, it's worth noting their overall grade for Z. is a high 85.0, a Pro Bowl level number: [URL]https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/zadarius-smith/9555[/URL] While we don't get a pass/run breakdown in that link, it is fair to assume the pass rush grade is very high. So, if the eye test tells you Z. is playing darn good football despite pedestrian sack+hit count (a total of 5), then you would find yourself in agreement with PFF's subjective grading elements that Kapadia does not attempt. [/QUOTE]
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