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<blockquote data-quote="PackersRS" data-source="post: 274131" data-attributes="member: 1429"><p>With your thought process any hypothesis are valid in making an argument.</p><p></p><p>What I do know is that the D jumped from 20th to 2nd in 2009, with the change.</p><p></p><p>Those are facts.</p><p></p><p>It's also a fact that Hawk was not playing well in the 4-3. In fact, there were a lot of talk that the 3-4 would benefit him.</p><p></p><p>Also a fact that the D had 37 sacks in 09, compared to 27 in 08.</p><p></p><p>I also know that we jumped from 28th to 1st in rushing D. We simply didn't have quality DT for the 4-3. But Jolly and Pickett are ideal for the 3-4. Barnett is as good at the 3-4. So is Hawk, which is average. Chillar is better at the 3-4, miles better. Woodson played much better, so did Collins (but I believe Collins' was a natural progression).</p><p></p><p>The ones sacrified were Cullen Jenkins and Aaron Kampman. </p><p></p><p>One of them played really well when he had rotation, but when Raji wasn't ready and when Pickett was out, he didn't play well, and got tired down the stretch.</p><p></p><p>And the other didn't play enough games to be made any conclusions. Was he the same in the 3-4? Not even a shadow. But the change from DE to OLB takes time.</p><p></p><p>And the comparison with Kampman to Matthews? Kampman only made some noise in 2005, 3 years after he was drafted, with 6.5 sacks.</p><p></p><p>Matthews in his rookie year had 10.</p><p></p><p>And I'm one of the greatest Kampman defenders, I still believe he can play in the 3-4, and he has the highest motor in the NFL.</p><p></p><p>But Matthews will be MILES better than Kampman is or was. Not even close.</p><p></p><p>If we stayed in the 4-3, we wouldn't have got CM3, without a doubt. And who's to say we would've gotten anyone? We could've drafted busts. The way you puts things you're counted as certainties that we would've got at least 2 players for the 4-3, when it's not the case.</p><p></p><p>And when you start putting "teams" in the 3-4 4-3 argument, well, it looks like you're more bashing the 3-4 system than the move we made. Like you have some personal grudge against the 3-4.</p><p></p><p>What we have as facts is that the move was a right decision, based on everything I said. And saying that if we had stayed in the 4-3 we would've had more sucess is crazy talk, because it's ONLY based on conjectures.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PackersRS, post: 274131, member: 1429"] With your thought process any hypothesis are valid in making an argument. What I do know is that the D jumped from 20th to 2nd in 2009, with the change. Those are facts. It's also a fact that Hawk was not playing well in the 4-3. In fact, there were a lot of talk that the 3-4 would benefit him. Also a fact that the D had 37 sacks in 09, compared to 27 in 08. I also know that we jumped from 28th to 1st in rushing D. We simply didn't have quality DT for the 4-3. But Jolly and Pickett are ideal for the 3-4. Barnett is as good at the 3-4. So is Hawk, which is average. Chillar is better at the 3-4, miles better. Woodson played much better, so did Collins (but I believe Collins' was a natural progression). The ones sacrified were Cullen Jenkins and Aaron Kampman. One of them played really well when he had rotation, but when Raji wasn't ready and when Pickett was out, he didn't play well, and got tired down the stretch. And the other didn't play enough games to be made any conclusions. Was he the same in the 3-4? Not even a shadow. But the change from DE to OLB takes time. And the comparison with Kampman to Matthews? Kampman only made some noise in 2005, 3 years after he was drafted, with 6.5 sacks. Matthews in his rookie year had 10. And I'm one of the greatest Kampman defenders, I still believe he can play in the 3-4, and he has the highest motor in the NFL. But Matthews will be MILES better than Kampman is or was. Not even close. If we stayed in the 4-3, we wouldn't have got CM3, without a doubt. And who's to say we would've gotten anyone? We could've drafted busts. The way you puts things you're counted as certainties that we would've got at least 2 players for the 4-3, when it's not the case. And when you start putting "teams" in the 3-4 4-3 argument, well, it looks like you're more bashing the 3-4 system than the move we made. Like you have some personal grudge against the 3-4. What we have as facts is that the move was a right decision, based on everything I said. And saying that if we had stayed in the 4-3 we would've had more sucess is crazy talk, because it's ONLY based on conjectures. [/QUOTE]
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