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Message: <blockquote data-quote="America" data-source="post: 246384" data-attributes="member: 454">I think that if you look at Favre's career with the Packers you'll see the patent falsity of that claim.He won 160 games in 16 seasons.  10 per season.   Or two more per season than you'd have expected an average QB to win with an average team.   And if you believe, as I do, that for most of the time Favre was in Green Bay he had an above average team around him, then his impact is less than two wins per season....probably more like one.And that's overall.   In his very good seasons, he was worth more than that;  in his not so good seasons, he probably hurt more than he helped.I have a chart that I can't seem to post here but it clearly shows that when we had very good scoring defenses (1993-1997, 2001, 2007) we made the playoffs and advanced.   When we had just an AVERAGE scoring defense (1992, 1998, 1999, 2000) we either did not make the playoffs or we did not advance.   And when we had poor defenses it was usually at least partially because we had an inordinate number of turnovers which put a warm offense against a tired defense on a short field.So rather than say "Favre wins games", I think it would be more correct to say that the defense was responsible for much of our success during the Favre Era.</blockquote>

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