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Aaron Rodgers contract

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by ivo610, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. ivo610

    ivo610 Cheesehead

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    Cue the "he gets a free education!" From someone.

    Major NCAA athletes are exploited beyond belief.
    "Baylor Univ. estimates that Robert Griffin III's Heisman Trophy win last year was worth $250M in "extra donations, increased ticket sales, licensing fees, sponsorship deals [and] an expanded deal with Fox Sports Southwest," according to Michele Steele of ESPN.com"
     
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  2. texaspackerbacker

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    To a very limited extent, I agree with you - or at least understand the feeling. I don't get all gooey like some people when a player gets hurt - I figure they get HUGE money for taking those risks while playing a fun game, something I and most of us would do just about anything for. Yeah, I HATE to see Packers hurt, but it is for the harm it does to the won/loss column, no more. Somebody from a rival team breaks a knee, and I have been known to cheer. As for the topic at hand, however, the Rodgers contract, it's a relative thing. Maybe no player deserves that kind of money, but Rodgers deserves significantly more than anybody else - he's better than anybody else by a wide margin. And as tjv or somebody replied to you, it's a matter of the law of supply and demand - the free market - both how much the player's agent can squeeze the team for and how much the team can squeeze the fans and TV networks for. It's legendary how difficult it is/how long it takes to get Packer season tickets. That fact says the price could be extremely much higher than it is, based on market forces.
     
  3. ivo610

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    Its not going to PPV, there is more money is "free" tv due to the major ad revenue.

    Yes, families are being priced out of games. But thats more supply and demand. The packers probably charge half of what the market does, so if they cut the prices the Packers wouldnt see a benefit, the scalpers would. If anything complain about the people who have held dozens of season tickets for decades only to use them to make a profit.

    An entertainer is worth what people will pay to see him or her. Clearly they are worth what they are getting, its not like many other people on the planet can do what they do.

    Oh and chill on the font, its very difficult to read and rather annoying.
     
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  4. PackPackPackers

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    It's almost outrageous to think that an NFL player can earn 20 million dollars in one year (if that's what Aaron Rodgers is aiming for). Doctors, lawyers, engineers, and many other elite professions do not even touch that standard of high class salary. It is completely unfair to see the NFL go this way, but this is how society is constructed. People care more about sports instead of the real issues that is infested in the United States.

    Go ahead Rodgers, sign that monster contract. Bring the GB Packers to ruins so that the GB management cannot develop a better team that we have now. Seriously, this team sucks! There really has been no BIG changes to the Packers' defense or offense. Packer fans are almost delusional to believe we can win the Super Bowl if they keep the nearly the same team from last year. The facts are as clear as a bright sunny day...the defense BLOWS! Not only that, but the Packers have lost WR Greg Jennings.

    Good luck Aaron Rodgers, you are going to need it. Keep drinking the Aaron Rodgers kool-aid Packers' fans, just remain ignorant until the entire team implodes from within.
     
  5. ThxJackVainisi

    ThxJackVainisi Lifelong Packers Fanatic

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    IMO as temper tantrums go this one is … well … stale. You’re apparently late to the party so just so you know, Rodgers’ deal will average more than $20M/year. And in NFL terms he’s worth it because he’s the best player in the league. And that’s not just Packers fans saying so. And if you think fans thinking Rodgers is the best player in the league are drinking kool-aid, who do you think is the best player?

    If you think this team sucks, IMO you are an ignorant NFL fan, and you aren’t much of a Packers fan either. And while you whine they will “keep the nearly the same team from last year” remind us about all the changes they made before the 2010 season. You remember that season and team, don’t ya?
     
  6. ivo610

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    It's alot easier to be a dr lawyer or engineer than NFL MVP, but obviously you know that and realize why they get paid that. Smart guy like you doesn't need to have that explained to him.
     
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    I think you've already got the ignorance market cornered with this post.
     
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  8. HardRightEdge

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    Expect large signing bonuses and deferred cap hits. Considering we're talking about $35 mil per year for two players, it's unavoidable. Even Brad Jones' "puny" deal is backloaded.
     
  9. jaybadger82

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    Depends on the individual and the job. I don't think "easier" is the right word for it. ARod couldn't handle being a lawyer, doctor, or engineer right now. But in a market, where scarcity plays into cost, there are more people with the training to perform these jobs and this drives down cost. Obviously, there are very few than can do what ARod does.

    I think "scarcity" is the concept you're after. Saying another job is "easier" diminishes the nature of what other people do for a living, from lawyers to mechanics.

    Unlike texas, I was content to stop playing football after high school and I have no interest in swapping jobs with a random NFL player. I believe the "players are overpaid" sentiment ignores the fact that NFL careers are ridiculously short and that the value of a couple million dollars in hand today doesn't go nearly as far as people like to think. There's this laughable perception that when a guy earns about $2.7 million dollars over the course of three or three and a half years (the NFL average), that he's won the lottery and he's on easy street. This simply ignores economic realities such as taxes and inflation. Just think about individual health care premiums over the course of a lifetime. Now think about premiums for a family. Granted, it would be nice to see these guys manage their money better, but I'll bet you were pretty stupid with your money in your early twenties as well...

    No, thank you. I'm quite content in my position, where my lifetime earning capacity is greater than that of the average NFL player and I need not worry about the lifetime effects of injuries I sustained in my twenties.
     
  10. Darth Garfunkel

    Darth Garfunkel Cheesehead

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    realcaliforniacheese A-Rods Boss

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    I agree with the first half of your post. Don't 100% agree with the second half. The players get a university education for free, What's that worth, about 100 to 200k in student loans they don't have to pay. Job training for possible advancement to the professional level and they get to be the BMOC's which means they get laid alot:tup:. Much of that revenue goes to other sports that don't bring in the big bucks, including title 9, scholarships, facility's............
     
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  12. ivo610

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    In a nutshell why college athletics is just used by the NCAA to exploit kids for profit.

    http://deadspin.com/predictably-louisville-and-adidas-are-now-trying-to-pr-468569876
     
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  13. Darth Garfunkel

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    Free tuition is nice and all but how many of them actually get an education? They are admitted on lowered standards, hustled on to the field and then steered to the easy classes by their guidance counselors. The graduation rate is well below the average student as well so if they don't make it or are horribly injured they are often S.O.L. In the least the kids playing college ball should get a royalty on their jersey sales etc. Maybe it could be deferred until they leave school.

    Ware could be permanently hobbled by his injury and everyone involved except him are cashing in on it. Plenty more college football players end up the same way.
     
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  14. texaspackerbacker

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    I guess I disagree. Anything short of death, and a permanently injured guy, if in fact that's the way Ware turns out, is basically set up for life through boosters, contacts, etc. Contrast that with the other 99.8% who are truly S.O.L. - the people who don't get the free education, don't benefit in a "who you know" world, etc. - basically everybody not getting an athletic scholarship. Yeah, the system benefits from what the players do on the field; yeah, a few end up injured; But all in all, it's pretty much a two-sided benefit - make that three sided - including those of us who enjoy being fans.
     
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  15. ivo610

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    This makes me think you don't know many if any former D1 athletes
     
  16. Chicocheese

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    Packers are reportedly close to locking up Matthews! Also, Rodgers wants to have his contract signed by 4/15 which is when football conditioning begins!

    Also, I read that if Rodgers happens to NOT get the contract he wants by April 15th he will NOT pull one of those "hold-out" shenanigans that so many other players pull. Say what you will about him becoming the highest paid NFL player of all time, I think it is awesome that he will still hit training camp no matter what. Also, here is to hoping that TT gets all of the big contracts done by next week.
     
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  17. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    Matt Ryan is also "working on a new deal." Therefore: Clubs are purposely driving Aaron's price up.
     
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    the BASTARDS! Why does the NFL have it in for the Packers! I'm writing Goodell a letter!
     
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  19. HyponGrey

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    NFLPA is all over collusion rumors
     
  20. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    I am putting on my bullet proof vest now.....

    I am shocked what ESPN has said about the deal that CM3 is close to getting. They reported 13 Million per year......WOW....I know he is good, the guy is damn good.....but 13 Million per year!!!! That is to much money considering that he does miss playing time with the re-occuring hamstring injury. I think that he/they should have done more in the range of 8 million per year.

    Ok, fire when ready
     
  21. rodell330

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    I agree, him and and Rodgers have basicly killed the cap. Both guys are studs but both overpaid if they get these type of contracts.. yea i said it Overpaid. Theres no player on in the NFL history worth 23 million dollar a year.
     
  22. ivo610

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    So what are you suggesting? Let them walk?
     
  23. paulska

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    If there is one thing I think we can have confidence in with our team management is that they understand how to manage the financial side of personnel come-and-go.

    Too many people forget how angry people were that Charles Woodson got HUGE (as in slightly less than the largest FA contract awarded to a defensive player) money when we brought him in, but that deal was structured in a way that used existing cap space to great effect to pay up front so later years of the deal weren't crippling to our team being able to manoeuvre and resign other key assets.

    The scale of the deals we're talking about now are unprecedented for Packers types- ARod may well hit $250 mil total value, and CM3's deal will eclipse deals for the best (in terms of dominant play) defensive players in team history (see Reggie White's first deal to bring him to GB, CWoodson's FA deal)

    Someone with excel skills might want to do a comparative look at the relative amount of cap space big past deals took up compared to the numbers being bandied about for ARod and CM3 (Favre's average annual cap hit vs. cap VS. ARod's project annual cap hit vs cap, same for Reggie/CWood vs. CM3). I think it would be interesting to see if that ratio has ballooned much- meaning, does keeping elite players cost teams more relative cap space annually than it used to?

    If we want ARod around for his prime years, when he can still run elusively, we're going to pay him top dollar. He's not in the spot that Tom Brady is in- having made top of the food chain money for a whole major contract, and he can now play for less than market value to make sure he has weapons around him late in his career to earn another shot at a title and a stamp on the game as perhaps the GOAT. It's the economics of the game. Like it or hate it...
     
  24. HyponGrey

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    He deserves at least 11 mil.
     
  25. ThxJackVainisi

    ThxJackVainisi Lifelong Packers Fanatic

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    So you continuously complain the Packers aren’t signing UFAs and now you’re complaining they are extending their two best players (who happen to be two of the best players in the league)? Some people are never happier than when they have something to complain about. One such person in particular in my life comes to mind, but she’s got nothing on you!

    Rodgers is the best player in the league and IMO Matthews is among the top 3 or so defenders so after their deals Rodgers will be the top paid player and Matthews among the top paid defenders. But that won’t last long – halfway through their contracts that will no longer be the case and depending upon how long the deals are, near the end of both they’ll likely look pretty good if both are healthy.

    BTW, I am interested in reading your response to ivo610’s post. I hope you come up with something other than Ball and Thompson should take turns holding their breath and stomping their feet during negotiations while insisting Aaron and Clay take less money.
     
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