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<blockquote data-quote="Dantés" data-source="post: 896079" data-attributes="member: 12283"><p>Destination is part of it-- supporting cast and coaching. </p><p></p><p>But I think that, at times, that's used to explain away the phenomenon, when it's far from the only thing going on. </p><p></p><p>Look at Burrow vs. Herbert, for instance. Both guys had coaching that was mediocre at best, poor offensive lines, some weapons in the passing game, and some talent in the backfield. Burrow performed admirably, but was not blowing the doors off the league. Herbert had one of the best seasons we have ever seen from a rookie QB.</p><p></p><p>Or look, for another example, at Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. Both teams have made tremendous investments in both the coaching and the personnel around their players. Both of them have great minds designing the offense, both have good offensive lines, and Mayfield has the edge in the support of his running game, while Allen has the edge in the quality of his receiving options. Mayfield, with all of that infrastructure around him, is basically performing at a league-average level. Allen was on the edge of the MVP discussion. </p><p></p><p>Or finally, consider Mitchell Trubisky and Deshaun Watson. I would say that in terms of help on the coaching staff, on the offensive line (prior to the Tunsil acquisition), and even in regards to pass catchers, the Bears did as much or more for Mitchell as the Texans did for Watson. Watson went later, but he did not go to a highly functional franchise. And yet he's probably the 2nd most valuable player in the entire NFL (age considered). </p><p></p><p>In short, while destination makes a real difference, I think this is as much or more about the NFL as a whole preferring floor over ceiling when it comes to the position. And in this day and age when any *good* quarterback is going to make 35+M on a second contract, those higher floor guys can't return value the way that the high ceiling guys do, when they hit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dantés, post: 896079, member: 12283"] Destination is part of it-- supporting cast and coaching. But I think that, at times, that's used to explain away the phenomenon, when it's far from the only thing going on. Look at Burrow vs. Herbert, for instance. Both guys had coaching that was mediocre at best, poor offensive lines, some weapons in the passing game, and some talent in the backfield. Burrow performed admirably, but was not blowing the doors off the league. Herbert had one of the best seasons we have ever seen from a rookie QB. Or look, for another example, at Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen. Both teams have made tremendous investments in both the coaching and the personnel around their players. Both of them have great minds designing the offense, both have good offensive lines, and Mayfield has the edge in the support of his running game, while Allen has the edge in the quality of his receiving options. Mayfield, with all of that infrastructure around him, is basically performing at a league-average level. Allen was on the edge of the MVP discussion. Or finally, consider Mitchell Trubisky and Deshaun Watson. I would say that in terms of help on the coaching staff, on the offensive line (prior to the Tunsil acquisition), and even in regards to pass catchers, the Bears did as much or more for Mitchell as the Texans did for Watson. Watson went later, but he did not go to a highly functional franchise. And yet he's probably the 2nd most valuable player in the entire NFL (age considered). In short, while destination makes a real difference, I think this is as much or more about the NFL as a whole preferring floor over ceiling when it comes to the position. And in this day and age when any *good* quarterback is going to make 35+M on a second contract, those higher floor guys can't return value the way that the high ceiling guys do, when they hit. [/QUOTE]
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