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3-4 Models.

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  1. Packerlifer

    Packerlifer Cheesehead

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    One clue as to how the Packers could fare with their new 3-4 defense is to compare their projected starting lineup with those of the other top estalbished 3-4's around the league. The Green Bay D looks as follows: Ends- B.J. Raji (6-2,337), Cullen Jenkins (6-2,305), Johnny Jolly (6-3,320), Justin Harrell (6-4,320). NT- Ryan Pickett (6-2,330), Raji. OLB - Aaron Kampman (6-4,265), Clay Matthews (6-3,245). ILB- A.J. Hawk (6-1,248), Nick Barnett (6-2,336) CB- Charles Woodson (6-1,202), Al Harris (6-1,190). FS- Nick Collins (5-11,207), SS- Atari Bigby (5-11,213.) COORDINATOR - Dom Capers. PITTSBURGH STEELERS: ENDS- AAron Smith (6-5,298), Brett Keisel (6-5,285) NT- Casey Hampton (6-1,325) OLB- James Harrison (6-0,242), Lamarr Woodley (6-2,265). ILB- James Farrior (6-2,243), Lawrence Timmons (6-1,234.) CB- Ike Taylor (6-2,195), William Gay (5-10,190). FS Troy Palamalu (5-10,207), SS Ryan Clark (5-11,205) COORDINATOR- Dick LeBeau. BALTIMORE RAVENS: ENDS - Haloti Ngata (6-4,335), Trevor Pryce (6-5,290). NT- Kelly Gregg (6-0,315). OLB- Terrell Suggs (6-3,260), Jarrett Johnson (6-3,265). ILB- Ray Lewis (6-1,250), Tavares Gooden (6-1,235). CB- Fabian Washington (5-11,180), Dominique Foxworth (5-11,180), FS- Ed Reed (5-11,200), SS- Dawan Landry (6-0,220) COORDINATOR-Greg Mattison. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS: ENDS- Richard Seymour (6-6,310), Ty Warren (65,300), NT Vince Wilfork (6-2,325). OLB- Adalius Thomas (6-2,270), Pierre Woods (6-5,250), ILB- Tedy Bruschi (6-1,247), Jerod Mayo (6-1,242). CB- Leigh Bodden (6-1,193), Jonathan Wilhite (5-11,185). FS- Brandon Meriwether (5-11,200). SS- James Sanders(5-10,210.) COORDINATOR-Dean Pees. SAN DIEGO CHARGERS: ENDS- Luis Castillo (6-3,303),Ryon Bingham (6-3,303). NT- Jamaal Williams (6-3,348). OLB- Shawne Merriman (6-4,265), Shawn Phillips (6-3,262). ILB- Stephen Cooper (6-1,235), Tim Dobbins (6-1,246). CB- Antonio Cromartie (6-2,203), Quentin Jammer (6-0,204). FS- Clinton Hart (6-0,208), SS Eric Weddle (5-11,200) COORDINATOR- Ron Rivera. DALLAS COWBOYS: ENDS- Marcus Spears (6-4,315), Igor Olshansky (6-6,309). NT- Jay Ratliffe (6-4,302). OLB- DeMarus Ware (6-4,262), Anthony Spencer (6-3,255). ILB- Keith Brooking (6-2,241), James Bradie (6-2,245). CB- Terence Newman (511,190), Mike Jenkins (5-10,190) FS- Ken Hamlin (6-2,208), SS Gerald Sensabaugh (6-0,204) COORDINATOR- Wade Phillips.
     
  2. PackersRS

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    3-4 D weight (according to respective official websites):

    Steelers
    LDE - 298
    DT - 325
    RDE - 285
    LOLB - 265
    MLB - 243
    MLB - 234
    ROLB - 242

    DL = 908
    LB = 984
    total = 1892

    Cowboys
    LDE - 315
    NT - 302
    RDE - 309
    LOLB - 255
    MLB - 245
    MLB - 241
    ROLB - 262

    DL = 926
    LB = 1003
    total = 1929

    Patriots
    LDE - 300
    NT - 325
    RDE - 310
    LOLB - 250
    MLB - 247
    MLB - 242
    ROLB - 270

    DL = 935
    LB = 1009
    total = 1944

    Ravens
    LDE - 290
    NT - 345
    RDE - 315
    LOLB - 265
    MLB - 250
    MLB - 265
    ROLB - 260

    DL = 950
    LB = 1040
    total = 1990

    Packers
    LDE - 337 - 320
    NT - 330
    RDE - 305
    LOLB - 265
    MLB - 236
    MLB - 248
    ROLB - 270 - 245

    DL = 972 - 955
    LB = 1019 - 994
    total = Jolly + CM3 = 1949
    Jolly + Thompson = 1974
    Raji + CM3 = 1966
    Raji + Thompson = 1991
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    I could say we're gonna be more like the Ravens, who play more 4-3 stances than the others, and have heavier players. However, the nickel formation with the DE's standing up is typical NE. Of course, that was in OTA, and probably Capers only worked that so he could see how our OLB would fare. The truth is Capers is a very smart coach, and will probably come up with something unique for us.
     
  3. Philtration

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    I believe that a lot of people are overlooking how much the Packers are going to miss Kampman's pressure on the QB with him playing totally out of position.

    They were not very good at stopping the run and now they are taking their biggest pass defense threat and backed him away from the thing that he does best.
     
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    Kampman may bring more pressure in the new scheme. They'll put him on the line frequently and will rush him from the olb position as well. Playing the same position and role hasn't kept Shawne Merriman, Adalius Thomas, Terrell Suggs, DeMarcus Ware or James Harrison from getting to the quarterback in those other 3-4's. The Packers will likely play a generous 4-3 alignment in their D. Kampman will come up at end, Jenkins & Raji will move to the tackles and they can meet at the quarterback.
     
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    The biggest example is Jason Taylor with the same Dom Capers. The Defensive MVP is the proof that once an DE goes to OLB, he fails...
     
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    I agree, there are several ends who become outside linebackers and they have no trouble getting in their sacks.
     
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    The 3-4 is really good for stopping the run, just need extremely good OLB to keep the pass rush pressure up.
     
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    I don't worry about how well Kampman will rush the passer or play the run in the 3-4 but how he will fare dropping into coverage.
    That's going to be the big transition for him.
     

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