2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread

[tynimiller]

Where have you been? I commented on that already, matter of fact, right after it happened! You even liked and commented on a few of my posts.

Come on man, The Packer Forum is life!

I was just giving you a hard time LOL

 

[tynimiller]

For me, once a healthy player, that is under contract, starts making waves by not attending practices, refusing to suit up, report, etc., they have put 1 foot out the door. That isn't a team player for me. Again, I understand Jenkins frustrations, but let your agent and the team work it out behind closed doors.

Jenkins signed a 4 year, $68M contract with the Packers in 2023, including a $24M signing bonus (guaranteed). He is 2 years into that deal, a deal that averages $17M/year. Maybe Jenkins is more worried about 2026, when his contract, if unchanged, would create a $24.8M cap hit. I can't see a situation where the Packers would just let that happen.

Be happy with what you have been paid, for mostly playing LG, be a team player and get to practice and hone your craft at Center. Show the Packers you are willing and able player, that wants to do what is best for the team. Let your agent figure out the rest.













, and an average annual salary of $17,000,000.

Oh this is all about future - he knows this is his last season here unless something gets worked out.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

What are peoples thoughts on Elgton Jenkins? He skipped voluntary OTA's, has now shown up for mandatory minicamps, but isn't participating. I realize he wasn't exactly happy about being moved to Center and wants his contract reworked to reflect changes in guaranteed money and incentives. However, imagine had this been Aaron Rodgers or another star player, fans would be losing their sh*t.

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Meh. Not that big of a deal. Much like Love's situation before he signed his new contract. The staff was good with him attending but sitting while working out details.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Oh this is all about future - he knows this is his last season here unless something gets worked out.

Something may get worked out. I think it more likely that Jenkins won't be in GB next year. He is looking to be paid as a G while expected to be the starting C. I guess I understand that, but didn't he just sign a huge contract that pays him the rate for a top G?

I'm with Poker on this one. I don't like guys missing practice over mid-contract renegotiations. Being part of a team means just that, you act like you're on a team, not in it for yourself. That comes across as pretty naive now that I reread it! Football players rightfully worry about injuries, all the time. But Jenkins has a contract, he got $24 mil guaranteed. C'mon man, suit up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was just giving you a hard time LOL

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Oh this is all about future - he knows this is his last season here unless something gets worked out.

Which is why he should suit-up, prove his value as an NFL center and let his agent take care of the rest. Now in Elgton's defense, I am guessing that it was probably his agents idea for him to not attend OTA's and to only show up, but not participate in mandatory minicamp. That said, Elgton is an adult, signed a contract, he could have stood up to his agent and said "You go work the deal out like I pay you for, I will go do my job, like I am being paid for."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Meh. Not that big of a deal. Much like Love's situation before he signed his new contract. The staff was good with him attending but sitting while working out details.

I didn't like what Love did either. That said, Love's leverage was SO MUCH larger than Jenkin's. Also, Love had 1 year left on his contract, Jenkins has 2.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Actually Monk (5th Yr Senior) played an adequate amount of Center. He played College ball for 5 seasons as a starter. Tom has also played quite a bit at Center throughout College.
Monk was mostly RG/OC with some RT sprinkles in. Tom played mostly LT and Center and scored high marks at both positions. Not sure we need to go there yet, but we actually have guys that have played sufficient amount at the Center position. That’s one good thing about Gute is he goes after prospects that play multiple positions.

Monk was so bad last year that he was passed up by Glover on the depth chart. He has played center in college but assuming he can play center at the pro level is a tall order.

Tom could switch to center in an emergency but moving him full time would likely see him playing out his contract and moving to remain at a higher paid position.

 

[tynimiller]

Which is why he should suit-up, prove his value as an NFL center and let his agent take care of the rest. Now in Elgton's defense, I am guessing that it was probably his agents idea for him to not attend OTA's and to only show up, but not participate in mandatory minicamp. That said, Elgton is an adult, signed a contract, he could have stood up to his agent and said "You go work the deal out like I pay you for, I will go do my job, like I am being paid for."

That's a two way street though...a team signs that contract, they should shut up and pay it out in it's entirety or not...no? (playing devil's advocate here mainly...)

 

[Voyageur]

For me, once a healthy player, that is under contract, starts making waves by not attending practices, refusing to suit up, report, etc., they have put 1 foot out the door. That isn't a team player for me. Again, I understand Jenkins frustrations, but let your agent and the team work it out behind closed doors.

Jenkins signed a 4 year, $68M contract with the Packers in 2023, including a $24M signing bonus (guaranteed). He is 2 years into that deal, a deal that averages $17M/year. Maybe Jenkins is more worried about 2026, when his contract, if unchanged, would create a $24.8M cap hit. I can't see a situation where the Packers would just let that happen.

Be happy with what you have been paid, for mostly playing LG, be a team player and get to practice and hone your craft at Center. Show the Packers you are willing and able player, that wants to do what is best for the team. Let your agent figure out the rest.













, and an average annual salary of $17,000,000.

Interesting point about that cap hit. If he carried some over to future years, and got let's say.... a 2-year extension, with a decent figure, it would give him more long range income and security. It would be a successful move on his part.

 

[gopkrs]

Monk is a wide body...right? I hope he can work out. I'm certainly going to give him a chance.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I didn't like what Love did either. That said, Love's leverage was SO MUCH larger than Jenkin's. Also, Love had 1 year left on his contract, Jenkins has 2.

EVERYONE knows it's only 1 year left with the way the current one is structured. That's why Jenkins wants this done this year.

 

[Pkrjones]

Any move Gute makes is dependent on his long-term vision for the OL. Walker (LT), Rhyan (RG), & Tom (RT) all have expiring contracts after '25. Gute & coaches have said this offseason that they want the Oline to be bigger & nastier. Does Gute extend any of them or save many $millions/yr & go with younger guys on rookie deals?

Waiting "in the wings" for playing time are: Jordan Morgan, Glover, Hill, Monk, Belton, Williams, Jennings, Telfort & a few others.

Jenkins may force the issue by sitting out & force the OL to look like, from left to right: Walker, Banks, Rhyan, Morgan, & Tom? 2026 OL could look like: Morgan, Banks, Monk/Hill, Jennings/Williams, Telfort/Belton?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

EVERYONE knows it's only 1 year left with the way the current one is structured. That's why Jenkins wants this done this year.

I read his contract as having 2 years left on it.

Personally, I think the Packers moving him to Center has more to do with what Elgton is doing. Even if he was still playing LG, his contract was structured in such a way that 2025 was probably going to be his last season in GB, unless a new deal was agreed upon.

Jenkins and his agent probably feel that his open market value will be reduced, no matter what he does at Center in 2025. Jenkins turns 30 in Dec., he has never played at Center for a full season in GB. I doubt the Packers are going to budge and as many are pointing out, their recent OL acquisitions indicate to me that he may not be in the Packers long term plans, unless the money and skills line up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Interesting point about that cap hit. If he carried some over to future years, and got let's say.... a 2-year extension, with a decent figure, it would give him more long range income and security. It would be a successful move on his part.

Agree, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Under Jenkins current contract, he was being paid as a G-T, so the average of $17M/year reflected that. Also, he got $24M of that up front.

If I am Gute and Ball I am saying to Jenkins "You have been adequately paid, we understand your concerns beyond 2025, but lets see how you do at Center for 17+ games and then look at redoing your contract."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's a two way street though...a team signs that contract, they should shut up and pay it out in it's entirety or not...no? (playing devil's advocate here mainly...)

No. NFL contracts are structured to give a team the ability to cut a player at any time. Players hedge this by trying to get as much guaranteed money as possible. As I mentioned before, Jenkins was given $24M up front.

If a player wants out of his contract, he can ask for a trade, ask for a new deal, but otherwise, he should honor the other terms of the deal HE SIGNED. I doubt in any players contracts will you find "Player has the right to not participate in team activities, until said player is happy."

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I read his contract as having 2 years left on it.

Personally, I think the Packers moving him to Center has more to do with what Elgton is doing. Even if he was still playing LG, his contract was structured in such a way that 2025 was probably going to be his last season in GB, unless a new deal was agreed upon.

Jenkins and his agent probably feel that his open market value will be reduced, no matter what he does at Center in 2025. Jenkins turns 30 in Dec., he has never played at Center for a full season in GB. I doubt the Packers are going to budge and as many are pointing out, their recent OL acquisitions indicate to me that he may not be in the Packers long term plans, unless the money and skills line up.

What I mean is that, yes, technically there are TWO years left on it, but the way it's structured, there is NO WAY the 2nd year is do-able. So, in essence, he has 1 year left on that contract because he would get dumped versus picking up that last year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What I mean is that, yes, technically there are TWO years left on it, but the way it's structured, there is NO WAY the 2nd year is do-able. So, in essence, he has 1 year left on that contract because he would get dumped versus picking up that last year.

You are correct. However, that is the way the contract was structured when signed, so that possibility was always there. What I am saying is that had the Packers not moved Jenkins to Center, we aren't having this discussion, until maybe March of 2026. Nor is Jenkins unhappy and "holding out" for a new deal.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

People might be saying "Well, at least Jenkins is in camp and attending the minicamps." To which I would say, a big motivation for him showing up, in street clothes, is the fact that the Packers can't fine him for not being there.

I hope the Packers can work things out with Elgton, because he is a solid player and versatile, I just don't like when players stop honoring their contracts, simply because they want a new deal.

Just an FYI for those wondering:

Skipping a day of minicamp means a $17,462 fine. By Day 3? That jumps to $52,381. Not surprisingly, some veterans are showing up just enough to avoid the financial hit-while making their displeasure clear in other ways.

 

[tynimiller]

No. NFL contracts are structured to give a team the ability to cut a player at any time. Players hedge this by trying to get as much guaranteed money as possible. As I mentioned before, Jenkins was given $24M up front.

If a player wants out of his contract, he can ask for a trade, ask for a new deal, but otherwise, he should honor the other terms of the deal HE SIGNED. I doubt in any players contracts will you find "Player has the right to not participate in team activities, until said player is happy."

I don't disagree with you - just wanted you to give you a reason to elaborate.

 

[gopkrs]

What I mean is that, yes, technically there are TWO years left on it, but the way it's structured, there is NO WAY the 2nd year is do-able. So, in essence, he has 1 year left on that contract because he would get dumped versus picking up that last year.

That might give him a lot of flexibility. Especially if he plays really well.

 

[OldSchool101]

I was just giving you a hard time LOL

Just?? That happened Days ago!

 

[OldSchool101]

The Jenkins thing just sends a poor message. If a player is under contract and does not show up the NFL needs to have a clause that their pay is reduced by 0.5% daily until they resume.
He’s getting paid handsomely, I don’t see a situation here at all where it’s proven his pay is affected. No GM is going to look at Jenkins as a pure Center even if he plays all year at C. Plus he’s being paid as a Guard it’s not like he loses $ in 2025.
His Agent obviously isn’t very smart if he thinks another GM and their Staff doesn’t follow the entire history of the player.

 

[Voyageur]

The Jenkins thing just sends a poor message. If a player is under contract and does not show up the NFL needs to have a clause that their pay is reduced by 0.5% daily until they resume.
He’s getting paid handsomely, I don’t see a situation here at all where it’s proven his pay is affected. No GM is going to look at Jenkins as a pure Center even if he plays all year at C. Plus he’s being paid as a Guard it’s not like he loses $ in 2025.
His Agent obviously isn’t very smart if he thinks another GM and their Staff doesn’t follow the entire history of the player.

I agree. It should also include that penalty against the signing bonus.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Which is why he should suit-up, prove his value as an NFL center and let his agent take care of the rest. Now in Elgton's defense, I am guessing that it was probably his agents idea for him to not attend OTA's and to only show up, but not participate in mandatory minicamp. That said, Elgton is an adult, signed a contract, he could have stood up to his agent and said "You go work the deal out like I pay you for, I will go do my job, like I am being paid for."

I think this is exactly what occurs with all players and agents trying to renegotiate a deal. Again, I understand the risk of injury. In the unlikely event of that happening, the player is still under contract and so protected! But yeah, it's the agents telling them what to do. You're right, let agents do their thing, and let players play.

I'm not sure why Jenkins would be unhappy this year anyway. He's being paid like a top G and he'll play C. I don't know the details of his contract but renegotiating now seems premature. Holding out is always a losing proposition, for all involved.