2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread

[OldSchool101]

Heath had about 150 special teams snaps over these last 3 years, less than half of Melton's. I've never understood why he wasn't more valuable for teams - he's fast, aggressive, and 3 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier than Bo. Seemed like he'd have been a real good fit.

Sure. I think Speed was a factor there. Bo ran a 4.34 40-time to Malik’s 4.64 time. Melton is quite a bit smaller size wise, but his athletic profile is much better than Heath. When it comes to Gunner or Coverage units or as a Returner they really look at that speed factor.

 

[milani]

We've weathered the storm so far well....but I cannot agree with this being "easy". Kraft is not replaceable, we have no one that can do all he does out of the TE position. Thankfully for us, Whyle and Fitz can handle more the dirty stuff he does and Musgrave can kinda do the receving threat but not the same....we've also due to losing him had to implement and run a lot more 6 offensive lineman snaps a game. There were quite a few 6 OL 3 WR 1 RB sets last week...overhauling things like that means it hasn't been easy.

What also concerns me going into Denver are the penalties. We have played for some crews that call almost nothing. The one we have Sunday statistically shows that it is more flag happy especially with the visiting team. The projection is 7 GB flags and only 5 for the Broncos. They better not ignore Parsons.

 

[tynimiller]

What also concerns me going into Denver are the penalties. We have played for some crews that call almost nothing. The one we have Sunday statistically shows that it is more flag happy especially with the visiting team. The projection is 7 GB flags and only 5 for the Broncos. They better not ignore Parsons.

Denver DBs Moss and Surtain are awesome but get called for a lot of penalties...

 

[milani]

Denver DBs Moss and Surtain are awesome but get called for a lot of penalties...

In that case it is better to challenge them.

 

[Thirteen Below]

In that case it is better to challenge them.

Yes. Put them in the position of having to make bad decisions. Good thinking, Milani.

 

[milani]

Yes. Put them in the position of having to make bad decisions. Good thinking, Milani.

It can get to be where the best meets the best. Favre did not hide from Deion Sanders. Rodgers did not hide from Assante Samuel. We even challenged Richard Sherman.
Now there were QBs that challenged the great Herb Adderley. They usually paid for it.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Now there were QBs that challenged the great Herb Adderley. They usually paid for it.

And it sure was fun watching them pay the tab!

 

[milani]

And it sure was fun watching them pay the tab!

I watched a You Tube replay of a 1963 game vs. The Colts in Baltimore. I recall Kramer kicking a 46 yard FG and John Roach filling in for Starr that game for a 34-20 victory. But I had not paid heed to Herb picking Unitas twice that day and forcing a fumble later on. Tremendous athlete.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

We've weathered the storm so far well....but I cannot agree with this being "easy". Kraft is not replaceable, we have no one that can do all he does out of the TE position. Thankfully for us, Whyle and Fitz can handle more the dirty stuff he does and Musgrave can kinda do the receving threat but not the same....we've also due to losing him had to implement and run a lot more 6 offensive lineman snaps a game. There were quite a few 6 OL 3 WR 1 RB sets last week...overhauling things like that means it hasn't been easy.

Interesting. I wasn't really looking too deep into the blocking changes. That's good insight.

Looking at offensive production and impact. Kraft took half the season to, in my opinion, raise his game each week. Went from Kraft1a/Misgrave1b, to Kraft the star of the offense and indispensable.... Are things I've read....

Personally I think he was the beneficiary of all those WR injuries, and the struggling running game.... Which should be factored into your point earlier....did his blocking and threat down field give Jacobs a + or a - on the stat sheet?

I think when Kraft got hurt, he was definitely begining to open up Jacob's more by spreading the defense, and the run attack was catching stride finally.

Could be said that GB has been flat out 3 yds and a cloud of dust consistently enough on first downs, that we weren't fooling anyone. So bringing in the 6th OL just broadens our board, rather than try to fool someone who already knows what's coming...

Back to my original point, and my belief.... Just as we seen Kraft progress each week into what surely looked like a star. I have seen that same progress from musgrave the last few weeks. That diving almost catch against the bears was super impressive to me. The kind of thing Kraft would do, which equally impressed me.... Personally, I'm not going to bet early and say that Musgrave has peaked. I think we are seeing another rise into the spotlight. Only difference is, the WRs are all getting healthy... In that thought, Jacob's needing some rest before Jan. The passing attack needing to develope their full strength strategies. Love a second half the season QB.... A wide open pass attack should keep Musgrave at par as far as number passes to him go. And I'm going to bet the trends, and say he will continue to up his game weekly, until he is back to Kraft1a/Misgrave1b...

When he laid out for that pass last week... I said "a star is born"... Same thing I said about Kraft about week 5 or so

 

[tynimiller]

Interesting. I wasn't really looking too deep into the blocking changes. That's good insight.

Looking at offensive production and impact. Kraft took half the season to, in my opinion, raise his game each week. Went from Kraft1a/Misgrave1b, to Kraft the star of the offense and indispensable.... Are things I've read....

Personally I think he was the beneficiary of all those WR injuries, and the struggling running game.... Which should be factored into your point earlier....did his blocking and threat down field give Jacobs a + or a - on the stat sheet?

I think when Kraft got hurt, he was definitely begining to open up Jacob's more by spreading the defense, and the run attack was catching stride finally.

Could be said that GB has been flat out 3 yds and a cloud of dust consistently enough on first downs, that we weren't fooling anyone. So bringing in the 6th OL just broadens our board, rather than try to fool someone who already knows what's coming...

Back to my original point, and my belief.... Just as we seen Kraft progress each week into what surely looked like a star. I have seen that same progress from musgrave the last few weeks. That diving almost catch against the bears was super impressive to me. The kind of thing Kraft would do, which equally impressed me.... Personally, I'm not going to bet early and say that Musgrave has peaked. I think we are seeing another rise into the spotlight. Only difference is, the WRs are all getting healthy... In that thought, Jacob's needing some rest before Jan. The passing attack needing to develope their full strength strategies. Love a second half the season QB.... A wide open pass attack should keep Musgrave at par as far as number passes to him go. And I'm going to bet the trends, and say he will continue to up his game weekly, until he is back to Kraft1a/Misgrave1b...

When he laid out for that pass last week... I said "a star is born"... Same thing I said about Kraft about week 5 or so

So the crazy thing is since Kraft has been out, Musgrave really only saw one oddly higher snap count game. Fitzpatrick snaps increased, our third TE now Whyle snaps increased and third OL increased.

The fact remains Musgrave cannot do what we asked Kraft to do and be which is an all around TE. Musgrave absolutely can be a TE2(receiving option) for a team but unless he does something completely out of his norm he will continue to not see as many snaps as the other TEs combined and some games he has less than Fitz even in general.

This isn’t a knock on Musgrave but just to shed light on I don’t think Musgrave is doing all you think he is.

Also Kraft was special even last year, just because he had a couple big receiving yard games towards end of his season this year to me didn’t signal a change he was the exact same guy, just showed up more in a stat line - which is only a small signal of what a all around TE does.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Heath had about 150 special teams snaps over these last 3 years, less than half of Melton's. I've never understood why he wasn't more valuable for teams - he's fast, aggressive, and 3 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier than Bo. Seemed like he'd have been a real good fit.

I am just guessing that with Heath and Melton, we saw the difference between a "team guy" (Melton) and a "me guy" (Heath). Again, this is just speculation on my part and solely based on Heath's suspension for his social media posts that he later deleted, that expressed his dissatisfaction in how the Packers were using him. Followed by his subsequent release from the team. Contrast that with the positivity that always seems to accompany the conversations that coaches and teammates have about Bo.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This isn’t a knock on Musgrave but just to shed light on I don’t think Musgrave is doing all you think he is.

Are there snap counts available that show when a player is in during a running play VS a passing play? Now I have noticed Musgrave being in there during a run, but don't know if it was a checkdown from a called pass play either. That said, when I see Musgrave standing on the sidelines and a 2 TE set, I'm shoving all my chips in on MLF just called a run play.

If that is a tendency and I think it is, it would be a good one to exploit defenses with.

 

[Krabs]

The Ravens game has been flexed to a 7:00 Saturday the 27th game. Available only on Peacock.

Packers to play back-to-back Saturday games

Week 17’s Green Bay Packers vs. Baltimore Ravens matchup will be played on Saturday, December 27th.

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Did you know that if you have a Walmart membership you get to choose between Paramount+ and The **** for a free streaming service? We have been Walmart members for grocery deliveries. I want to say it is $125 a year. We had Paramount+, but just realized that The **** is also an option. We switched it over and now get The **** for free.

 

[Krabs]

Did you know that if you have a Walmart membership you get to choose between Paramount+ and The **** for a free streaming service? We have been Walmart members for grocery deliveries. I want to say it is $125 a year. We had Paramount+, but just realized that The **** is also an option. We switched it over and now get The **** for free.

I shortened Peacock to The C O C K and it censored it.

 

[Krabs]

Kraft replaced by Musgrave.

The Rookie Belton rotating in at RG with Rhyan playing well at center. No drop off. In fact they seem to be protecting Love very well. And Belton is a bruiser.

Wyatts replacements are yet to be seen. But getting LVN back. Along with Cox jr. And a new rotation of 3 interior D linemen to hopefully find a suitable playmaker with little drop off. LVN coming back will be huge I believe.

Overall the losses are easily absorbed. And we actually are tapping into new talent we didn't know was there on the lines.

I'm pretty excited to be honest

LVN is a DE primarily and used for the pass rush. I do know they were trying him at DT in the offseason to bolster depth there and get him more on the field. I wonder if they can utilize him there to help shore that up.

 

[Krabs]

Mercedes Lewis was just released. In truth I’d rather him than Kinnard be that 6th TE blocker cuz he still understands reading coverage IF ever does a short route or slip timing.

Not a chance. Lewis's blocking ability fell off dramatically even in his last year with the Packers. Kinnard is made for blocking and has been with the team the whole season after the trade with the Eagles. I'd wager anything that Lewis can catch sneaking out Kinnard can catch. It would be kind of a trick play anyway. Hard pass on Lewis. Loved him when we had him though.

 

[Krabs]

I am just guessing that with Heath and Melton, we saw the difference between a "team guy" (Melton) and a "me guy" (Heath). Again, this is just speculation on my part and solely based on Heath's suspension for his social media posts that he later deleted, that expressed his dissatisfaction in how the Packers were using him. Followed by his subsequent release from the team. Contrast that with the positivity that always seems to accompany the conversations that coaches and teammates have about Bo.

I think that is pretty good speculation. I do think that Melton is faster than Heath, which helps on special teams. Well, it kinda helps everywhere. I do think they were probably going to stash Heath on the practice squad, but he got scooped up right away. Not a huge loss IMO.

 

[Magooch]

I have to start wondering: Is Enagbare starting to pass up Gary?
He has roughly half the production, but also gets like half the snaps. Per down/snap they are a lot closer.
I think if my numbers are correct there is something like 20m to be saved by moving on from Gary next year. I don't know if that's something that has been given much consideration here or if anyone thinks that might be what they're planning on? Just kinda popped into my head the other day.

 

[Krabs]

I have to start wondering: Is Enagbare starting to pass up Gary?
He has roughly half the production, but also gets like half the snaps. Per down/snap they are a lot closer.
I think if my numbers are correct there is something like 20m to be saved by moving on from Gary next year. I don't know if that's something that has been given much consideration here or if anyone thinks that might be what they're planning on? Just kinda popped into my head the other day.

This has been a very hot topic this last week on the local radio stations here in Green Bay. Gary had something like 7.5 sacks through the first seven games and has not recorded any since. The only impactful play was causing JJ McCarthy to throw an interception to McDuffie. Other than that, his pressures are way down. In contrast, Enagbare has been playing much better and sticking guys on run defense.

Gary last 5 games: 14 tackles (7 solo, 7 ast), 0.0 sacks, 1 TFL/stuff, 1 PD, 1 FR.
Enagbare last 5 games: 11 tackles (6 solo, 5 ast), 1.5 sacks, 2 TFL/stuffs, 0 PD, 0 FF/FR.
Total Snaps (last 5):
Gary: 40 + 44 + 32 + 39 + 37 = 192 snaps
Enagbare: 39 + 27 + 15 + 40 + 31 = 152 snaps
Net difference: Gary +40 snaps over Enagbare

Gary’s pass‑rush cooled off in the last five, with no sacks but steady tackling, one run stop and impact plays in coverage and ball recovery (PD vs MIN, FR vs NYG). Enagbare popped more as a finisher in this stretch, tallying 1.5 sacks and 2 TFL/stuffs, including a third‑and‑short stop vs the Bears that set up Keisean Nixon’s game‑winning pick. Stats wise, Enagbare is having at least the same impact with less snaps.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I shortened Peacock to The C O C K and it censored it.

Well at least you didn't accidently shorten your C O C K~ in the process!

 

[tynimiller]

Are there snap counts available that show when a player is in during a running play VS a passing play? Now I have noticed Musgrave being in there during a run, but don't know if it was a checkdown from a called pass play either. That said, when I see Musgrave standing on the sidelines and a 2 TE set, I'm shoving all my chips in on MLF just called a run play.

If that is a tendency and I think it is, it would be a good one to exploit defenses with.

The table below will show snaps for Luke. So like in Week 14 vs CHI he saw 21 snaps of those 9 ended up being pass and 12 runs. MLF avoids such clear and evident tells honestly. Now what I'd have to study is do we run to Luke's side a ton...or if we do is their an additional puller or second TE or is a WR motioning in to help....

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[Poppa San]

Personally I think he was the beneficiary of all those WR injuries, and the struggling running game.... Which should be factored into your point earlier....did his blocking and threat down field give Jacobs a + or a - on the stat sheet?

Now that the WR corps is relatively healthy, MLF needs to head down to the vault under the stadium and dust the cobwebs off some of MMs plays from the Fab-5 days.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good stuff on Gary. Once Parsons was signed, I guess I expected Gary's game to elevate quite a bit. Offenses would devote more resources to Parsons and free Gary up more. I guess you might say we are seeing pretty much the same Gary that we saw last season, so nothing spectacular, but still right around average for a starting EDGE player in the NFL. Which makes me think that since his current salary is right around 13th highest in the league, there will have to be some conversations about Gary and his future in GB in the offseason. His $28M+ cap hit in 2026 and $31M+ in 2027 isn't ideal, given his playing level.

Might be a good offseason to approach Gary with a new contract offer, one that starts paying him an amount equal to his production on the field.

 

[gopkrs]

I have to start wondering: Is Enagbare starting to pass up Gary?
He has roughly half the production, but also gets like half the snaps. Per down/snap they are a lot closer.
I think if my numbers are correct there is something like 20m to be saved by moving on from Gary next year. I don't know if that's something that has been given much consideration here or if anyone thinks that might be what they're planning on? Just kinda popped into my head the other day.

What a tackle Enagbare made on that 3rd down play last week!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What's the over and under on "Snaps taken, before Lloyd gets injured again"?

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I hope everyone had "Zero Snaps" on their Bingo Cards.

Packers RB Dealt Another Brutal Injury Blow Before Broncos Game

The Green Bay Packers' running back has been dealt another brutal injury blow before Week 15's matchup with the Denver Broncos.

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