2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread

[OldSchool101]

Another really damning part mentioned there is talking about the Cardinals game where it looked like we were going to take the FG and then decided to keep the offense out and go for it and that's what won us the game - it's got Matt quoted as saying "...I looked up at the clock and saw how much time was left" and THEN changed his mind. I'm hoping it's just that he misspoke or didn't communicate it properly but that implies he was not entirely aware of the time/game situation when he initially called for FG. That is VERY alarming to me if that is the case. I would say that at bare minimum we need to have someone who is 100% on top of those things, even if it's not the HC, but unfortunately to us that probably falls to the assistant head coach, and, well....

Exactly. Except don’t delegate it by title. Find out who on staff is the most well versed in this sort of thing. If there’s not an ideal fit go hire one. I agree though, yes it’s a really important aspect that is our weakness.
I’m not even opposed to a pair of persons whose expertise is in that clock management area, with a proven history of success. Yet only 1 that holds authority to make the final call.

I often find myself contemplating a call with a knowledgeable friend who’s watched the game for years like myself. We play this game of calling the next play in end of game critical downs, but we do it without any formal training or rules. Just to see who was right. It’s like a game but practicing it really sharpens the axe.

You might think I’m crazy because he’s not Packer fan favorite, but I’ve listened to Tony Romo call the last minutes of various games as an announcer and that guy is brilliant at clock management in those near death situations. It just comes natural to him I’ve seen him catch mistakes before they happen and call the actual plays ahead of time and I’m talking spot on. Super fast processor if the game. Right now I’d hire several people in this forum that I would actually trust would handle it at a better %

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Exactly. Except don’t delegate it by title. Find out who on staff is the most well versed in this sort of thing. If there’s not an ideal fit go hire one. I agree though, yes it’s a really important aspect that is our weakness.
I’m not even opposed to a pair of persons whose expertise is in that clock management area, with a proven history of success. Yet only 1 that holds authority to make the final call.

I often find myself contemplating a call with a knowledgeable friend who’s watched the game for years like myself. We play this game of calling the next play in end of game critical downs, but we do it without any formal training or rules. Just to see who was right. It’s like a game but practicing it really sharpens the axe.

You might think I’m crazy because he’s not Packer fan favorite, but I’ve listened to Tony Romo call the last minutes of various games as an announcer and that guy is brilliant at clock management in those near death situations. It just comes natural to him I’ve seen him catch mistakes before they happen and call the actual plays ahead of time and I’m talking spot on. Super fast processor if the game. Right now I’d hire several people in this forum that I would actually trust would handle it at a better %

This is exactly why a lot of teams have an offensive TEAM of coaches, including the OC up in a box. They have charts, screens, stats, etc. and use data analytics to make decisions. This isn't that new and it seems to be working for teams, yet MLF seems too stubborn to except it. Oh sure, he has guys up in the booth, trying to help him out, but with everything going on down on the field; game clock, play clock, timeouts, challenges, substitutions, etc. MLF can get overwhelmed and unproductive. How do I know this? Check out how many times MLF has had to burn a timeout in important moments, because the play clock is close to zero. How many times, in key situations, has Love broke the huddle with less than 10 seconds on the play clock and had to rush the snap?

Damn it MLF, it is time.....you have a good and rising QB, a decent group of weapons, and yet you are so stubborn and determined to prove to the world that you are a master chess player, but your offense and the team suffers from this misconception, and will continue to do so until you make a change.

 

[mradtke66]

I often find myself contemplating a call with a knowledgeable friend who’s watched the game for years like myself. We play this game of calling the next play in end of game critical downs, but we do it without any formal training or rules. Just to see who was right. It’s like a game but practicing it really sharpens the axe.

I am curious how specific you two get? It's probably easy to guess run vs. pass or saying things like "side line throw," but on pass plays, you've got 5 eligible players. I'm guessing you don't pick out each player's route?

 

[OldSchool101]

I am curious how specific you two get? It's probably easy to guess run vs. pass or saying things like "side line throw," but on pass plays, you've got 5 eligible players. I'm guessing you don't pick out each player's route?

no no no. You’re taking it too literal here. We’re not calling an exact player and yard marker. Just more “use the sidelines.. you need 7 yards per play to increase your odds a hair on the next play”. You need to be good at math and recalibrate play to play. Based on time it takes to get a play off, the timeouts remaining, the general game flow, the gameclock, the down and when it’s ok to divert off the probability. If you need 8 yards per play with :45 sec left but 4 yards gets you a 1st Down, it’s an allowable divert just move the chains closer there and stop the clock and create a new set of Downs and it’s ok it’s 8.5 yards per play now.
It’s just understanding football and most guys in here know what I’m talking about. Much of it is we’ve just watched the sport for 20,30,40,70 years or whatnot. We get good at what we practice or spectate just by default. It doesn’t take a Doctorate in Sports theology here. Just basic math skills and plenty of in game scenarios.

As 1 example. I wouldn’t NEVER known to do what Ty Montgomery did in a Kick Off but I’ll never forget that trick either. He ran out of bounds and reached into the field of play and simply took touched the ball with his foot on the chalk. It instantly grounded the ball out of bounds like an electrical current. The ball it “out of bounds”. Ball spot at the 40. One of the most brilliant plays by a young KR. THATS what experience gives you.

We see this more common with the Pylon it’s an extension of the paint. You touch it and you’re in the Endzone. You fumble before touching it and it nicks the pylon and goes out of bounds? you’ve just turned the ball over to the other team. Someone who doesn’t watch the game regularly has no idea. I’m not beating my chest here.. there are a massive number of NFL athletes that don’t know this stuff. They’re 23yrs old!

The free kick, the 12 Men on field. The taking back to back delay of game penalty. These are only known if you study this game. We’re playing chess here not football. You better know this stuff to minute detail or lose a few games each year. That’s what we’re talking about. It’s not beating my chest it’s called I’ve watched for 50 years. Matt is great overall, but man he needs to understand what King Solomon talked about. Those that understand how to delegate others use knowledge of many. He’s not a bad HC, he’s just trying to do too much himself imo.

 

[Voyageur]

I think what's being said isn't necessarily calling the specific play but knowing the tendencies and essentially what kind of play and what the potential for success or failure is. The top defensive coordinators do that and it's what makes them exceptional.

Looking back to my own coaching. My high school team was going to play the best team in the region. We had an odd schedule the week before, so we were playing on a Saturday afternoon not Friday night. So, I grabbed my two main assistant coaches, and we headed out to watch that powerhouse team play on Friday night. They were so fast that there was no way our kids would ever be able to stick with them in the open field. They used a lot of wide pitches and even longer laterals to either one of two of their class running backs who would split out. The made it look like they were going to run up the gut but the RBs they lined up was one skinny kid who'd be broken like a pretzel and a second one who would run the 40 with a calendar not a stopwatch. I knew where the ball was going on almost every play. As far the RBs inside, our line could handle them without our two outside linebackers. Then I took my two best linebackers who also happened to be my best RBs and had them line up straight across the line of scrimmage from them and told them to knock the snot out of them on every play as soon as the ball was snapped. They hit them on every play and even if they did get the football, they didn't get the time to take one step before they were being slammed to the ground. Before the first quarter was over, these two speed merchants couldn't care less if they got the ball, they were bailing out to avoid the hits and they were no longer part of the game. Two kids averaging about 150 yards a game each and when we got through with them, they had roughly a -15 for the game against us.

About midway through the 3rd quarter, their coaches decided they had enough and pulled both of them from the game and went to a more conventional offense. The reason they weren't employed directly behind the line. They'd been beaten up so badly that they were hurting and didn't want to go back there.

They'd been averaging over 6 TDs a game and we shut them out. I don't recall exactly but I think they got 3 or 4 first downs and that was because of our penalties and QB scrambles. I do remember they had way less than 100 yards total for the game and never crossed midfield. We went from an unranked team in state to #9 with one game because we knew what they would do and how to handle it.

Matt telegraphs these things through his tendencies. Even if he had someone else call the plays, they'd call them based on Matt's coaching tendencies because inside themselves they know that's what he wanted. Matt has to make the changes in his own mind.

As an example, watch the next game. If the Packers throw on first down and don't complete the pass, 2nd down will be a run between the tackles or a flare to a WR or RB, falling back behind the line to make the catch. Rarely will he look for that completion over the middle to someone like Doubs. It's just his tendencies. In fact, he likes starting the game with a throw or two to Doubs and keeps on throwing to him until they don't connect on a pass. Then he doesn't throw to him again unless he has a 3rd down and 8 yards or more for a first down. He'll even throw it in traffic, and I think every DC in the league knows it's coming and double-teams him. It's like playing an old record over and over again, thinking that the next time you hear it, something will change. It doesn't.

 

[shockerx]

Well said 101

 

[mradtke66]

As an example, watch the next game. If the Packers throw on first down and don't complete the pass, 2nd down will be a run between the tackles or a flare to a WR or RB, falling back behind the line to make the catch.

My only nit to pick with this statement, is the NFL has a bad habit of running on 2nd down if incomplete on 1st down. This isn't just an MLF problem (though I also haven't charted his calls to see how often he actually does this.)

he likes starting the game with a throw or two to Doubs and keeps on throwing to him until they don't connect on a pass. Then he doesn't throw to him again unless he has a 3rd down and 8 yards or more for a first down. He'll even throw it in traffic, and I think every DC in the league knows it's coming and double-teams him. It's like playing an old record over and over again, thinking that the next time you hear it, something will change.

That isn't really a play call problem though. Love has to pick which receiver he'll target regardless of the play.

 

[Half Empty]

I think what's being said isn't necessarily calling the specific play but knowing the tendencies and essentially what kind of play and what the potential for success or failure is. The top defensive coordinators do that and it's what makes them exceptional.

Looking back to my own coaching. My high school team was going to play the best team in the region. We had an odd schedule the week before, so we were playing on a Saturday afternoon not Friday night. So, I grabbed my two main assistant coaches, and we headed out to watch that powerhouse team play on Friday night. They were so fast that there was no way our kids would ever be able to stick with them in the open field. They used a lot of wide pitches and even longer laterals to either one of two of their class running backs who would split out. The made it look like they were going to run up the gut but the RBs they lined up was one skinny kid who'd be broken like a pretzel and a second one who would run the 40 with a calendar not a stopwatch. I knew where the ball was going on almost every play. As far the RBs inside, our line could handle them without our two outside linebackers. Then I took my two best linebackers who also happened to be my best RBs and had them line up straight across the line of scrimmage from them and told them to knock the snot out of them on every play as soon as the ball was snapped. They hit them on every play and even if they did get the football, they didn't get the time to take one step before they were being slammed to the ground. Before the first quarter was over, these two speed merchants couldn't care less if they got the ball, they were bailing out to avoid the hits and they were no longer part of the game. Two kids averaging about 150 yards a game each and when we got through with them, they had roughly a -15 for the game against us.

About midway through the 3rd quarter, their coaches decided they had enough and pulled both of them from the game and went to a more conventional offense. The reason they weren't employed directly behind the line. They'd been beaten up so badly that they were hurting and didn't want to go back there.

They'd been averaging over 6 TDs a game and we shut them out. I don't recall exactly but I think they got 3 or 4 first downs and that was because of our penalties and QB scrambles. I do remember they had way less than 100 yards total for the game and never crossed midfield. We went from an unranked team in state to #9 with one game because we knew what they would do and how to handle it.

Matt telegraphs these things through his tendencies. Even if he had someone else call the plays, they'd call them based on Matt's coaching tendencies because inside themselves they know that's what he wanted. Matt has to make the changes in his own mind.

As an example, watch the next game. If the Packers throw on first down and don't complete the pass, 2nd down will be a run between the tackles or a flare to a WR or RB, falling back behind the line to make the catch. Rarely will he look for that completion over the middle to someone like Doubs. It's just his tendencies. In fact, he likes starting the game with a throw or two to Doubs and keeps on throwing to him until they don't connect on a pass. Then he doesn't throw to him again unless he has a 3rd down and 8 yards or more for a first down. He'll even throw it in traffic, and I think every DC in the league knows it's coming and double-teams him. It's like playing an old record over and over again, thinking that the next time you hear it, something will change. It doesn't.

I'll be back after lunch to finish reading this.

 

[gopkrs]

If the defense is setting up to stop the run; I say just keep throwing it. And lately there seems to be a lot of defenders really close to the line. For me, that's better than trying a short pass in the flat because the defense is already close. And not many teams have their corners playing way off

 

[OldSchool101]

I think what's being said isn't necessarily calling the specific play but knowing the tendencies and essentially what kind of play and what the potential for success or failure is. The top defensive coordinators do that and it's what makes them exceptional.

Looking back to my own coaching. My high school team was going to play the best team in the region. We had an odd schedule the week before, so we were playing on a Saturday afternoon not Friday night. So, I grabbed my two main assistant coaches, and we headed out to watch that powerhouse team play on Friday night. They were so fast that there was no way our kids would ever be able to stick with them in the open field. They used a lot of wide pitches and even longer laterals to either one of two of their class running backs who would split out. The made it look like they were going to run up the gut but the RBs they lined up was one skinny kid who'd be broken like a pretzel and a second one who would run the 40 with a calendar not a stopwatch. I knew where the ball was going on almost every play. As far the RBs inside, our line could handle them without our two outside linebackers. Then I took my two best linebackers who also happened to be my best RBs and had them line up straight across the line of scrimmage from them and told them to knock the snot out of them on every play as soon as the ball was snapped. They hit them on every play and even if they did get the football, they didn't get the time to take one step before they were being slammed to the ground. Before the first quarter was over, these two speed merchants couldn't care less if they got the ball, they were bailing out to avoid the hits and they were no longer part of the game. Two kids averaging about 150 yards a game each and when we got through with them, they had roughly a -15 for the game against us.

About midway through the 3rd quarter, their coaches decided they had enough and pulled both of them from the game and went to a more conventional offense. The reason they weren't employed directly behind the line. They'd been beaten up so badly that they were hurting and didn't want to go back there.

They'd been averaging over 6 TDs a game and we shut them out. I don't recall exactly but I think they got 3 or 4 first downs and that was because of our penalties and QB scrambles. I do remember they had way less than 100 yards total for the game and never crossed midfield. We went from an unranked team in state to #9 with one game because we knew what they would do and how to handle it.

Matt telegraphs these things through his tendencies. Even if he had someone else call the plays, they'd call them based on Matt's coaching tendencies because inside themselves they know that's what he wanted. Matt has to make the changes in his own mind.

As an example, watch the next game. If the Packers throw on first down and don't complete the pass, 2nd down will be a run between the tackles or a flare to a WR or RB, falling back behind the line to make the catch. Rarely will he look for that completion over the middle to someone like Doubs. It's just his tendencies. In fact, he likes starting the game with a throw or two to Doubs and keeps on throwing to him until they don't connect on a pass. Then he doesn't throw to him again unless he has a 3rd down and 8 yards or more for a first down. He'll even throw it in traffic, and I think every DC in the league knows it's coming and double-teams him. It's like playing an old record over and over again, thinking that the next time you hear it, something will change. It doesn't.

Yes. It reminds of that game we played like 30 years ago with Barry Sanders. Here’s a guy who rushed for 100 yards per game CAREER. I think the only RB to beat him is Jim Brown by a couple of yards a game. Yet we got back to basics. We studied the film and countered his tendencies. He had just killed a few opponents for 150+ yards by himself. When he played the Packers (we get benefit of studying Detroit multiple times yearly) he went NEGATIVE yards in the first half. Just going off memory I don’t think he broke 1 yard per carry, we completely buried him and he’s a HOF Back, but he’s human and Detroit obviously didn’t vary their gameplan enough.

Now our team didn’t just suddenly become All-Pro athletes. It started with good, persistent film review. Looking for cues and tendencies.
The DL worked in unison with the LB and DB to form a cocoon. Barry had no chance and while he used his jump cuts to avoid a few tackles, they ended up being his detriment. He jump cut backwards -1, -2, -1 and got himself in a trick bag for a -4 run.

Lesson learned here is you have to have a Plan B and even plan C up your sleeve. Had they had a couple fakes to Sanders and then pitched it back and thrown to a TE etc. we would’ve given up big chunks. MLF has to mix it up better. I can’t even remember when the last time we just threw a 5-6 yard Donald Driver slant on 2nd n 10. Tuckers drop was our closest thing but too long developing. Favre used to hit that slant in <1.0 sec. We’ll run the ball for +2 and suddenly it’s 3rd n 8 and we’re behind count. Worse yet then we get a discipline flag and we go backward to 3rd n 13. We really just do a combination of things that setup self inflicted wounds. Get a meager 6-7 yards on 1D it sets up lots of options. Might even get Golden to break one of those open.

 

[Voyageur]

My only nit to pick with this statement, is the NFL has a bad habit of running on 2nd down if incomplete on 1st down. This isn't just an MLF problem (though I also haven't charted his calls to see how often he actually does this.)



That isn't really a play call problem though. Love has to pick which receiver he'll target regardless of the play.

True on going to run on second down. That's why you need to think outside the box.

I think the receivers he has legitimately in his routes aren't as numerous as most people think. Most routes are decoys intended to draw defenders off where the ball will be thrown. When they don't bite, that's when we see the majority of the heavily contested throws. Because those routes are as detailed as they are, it takes a little longer to develop so getting additional looks is difficult because Love runs out of time and quite frankly that's not on him. At the same time, the meticulous design of the routes is one of the things that's kept Love's INT count down. It's kind of a catch-22.

The Packers use a lot of "specialists." The variation on plays is limited quite a bit by the personnel on the field. That's one of the reasons they seem disrupted when one of their offensive weapons leaves with an injury. We saw that with Kraft. As soon as he went out, the playbook was cut down considerably because it appears Musgrave was not the direct replacement for him in a lot of formations. Actually, FitzPatrick was, and Musgrave was a primary in specific packages where Fitz was also his back up. This isn't a bad thing, but it does put a kink in the offense until you get the issues related to who does what straightened out.

As an example, there were packages where Kraft was off the field and it was Musgrave and Fitz on field. When Kraft went down, they'd shift to the packages they used where it was Musgrave & Fitz because Musgrave is the better receiver. They'd eliminate most throws that would have went to Kraft because Fitz doesn't reach the skill level of either Kraft or Musgrave. In the old days, when practices were long and players worked on plays constantly, they were moved around in practice to ensure that the players could handle all aspects of each play. Short practices now and it isn't that easy to implement things in an offense. A lot of that could change this coming Sunday because they had a few days of practice.

I remember Rodgers indicating that it took too long to relay the plays to him from the sideline because they were so complex in description. It caused him consternation on having time to use motion and other ploys to evaluate a defense. Assuming that's still the case, and the complexity of each call, it might be very difficult for Love to convey any major changes at the line of scrimmage with the play clock running out. It's almost always down within 2 seconds.

 

[mradtke66]

I think the receivers he has legitimately in his routes aren't as numerous as most people think. Most routes are decoys intended to draw defenders off where the ball will be thrown. When they don't bite, that's when we see the majority of the heavily contested throws. Because those routes are as detailed as they are, it takes a little longer to develop so getting additional looks is difficult because Love runs out of time and quite frankly that's not on him.

If the offense is built around having single reads, it doesn't belong in the NFL. I would expect there to be a 1, 2, 3 at minimum, which is re-ordered based on defensive alignment and likely coverage.

The Packers use a lot of "specialists."

This is doesn't surprise me and I would annoyed if MLF tried to use Kraft and Musgrave the same way. They are not the same players with the same strengths. Ditto our wide receivers.

I remember Rodgers indicating that it took too long to relay the plays to him from the sideline because they were so complex in description. It caused him consternation on having time to use motion and other ploys to evaluate a defense. Assuming that's still the case, and the complexity of each call, it might be very difficult for Love to convey any major changes at the line of scrimmage with the play clock running out.

That's still typical with most offenses derived from the WCO. The Shannahan tree is further complicated with their motion, but even the McCarthy offense was a mouthful.

 

[Voyageur]

If the offense is built around having single reads, it doesn't belong in the NFL. I would expect there to be a 1, 2, 3 at minimum, which is re-ordered based on defensive alignment and likely coverage.



This is doesn't surprise me and I would annoyed if MLF tried to use Kraft and Musgrave the same way. They are not the same players with the same strengths. Ditto our wide receivers.



That's still typical with most offenses derived from the WCO. The Shannahan tree is further complicated with their motion, but even the McCarthy offense was a mouthful.

Not implying single reads. More along the line of needing more time for the routes to develop. Even though you may have 3 options, that can be down to two in a heartbeat with specific coverage. Love's done a good job finding open receivers when plays are busted to be honest. He's not shy about throwing it into coverage either. When he had Kraft and Doubs for contested catches, he had two guys who would battle for those possessions. Hopefully Musgrave can do the same thing. As for whether or not Matt will use Musgrave like he did Kraft, that's hard to say. I hope not because they aren't the same type of receivers.

You're absolutely right. The WCO is complex, and it takes longer to get the play communicated with the QB. Still, you have to try do improve on that delivery all the time.

 

[milani]

If the offense is built around having single reads, it doesn't belong in the NFL. I would expect there to be a 1, 2, 3 at minimum, which is re-ordered based on defensive alignment and likely coverage.



This is doesn't surprise me and I would annoyed if MLF tried to use Kraft and Musgrave the same way. They are not the same players with the same strengths. Ditto our wide receivers.



That's still typical with most offenses derived from the WCO. The Shannahan tree is further complicated with their motion, but even the McCarthy offense was a mouthful.

Rodgers was so accustomed to the MM package of formations. It was a simpler offense with a lot less motion. Seeing Randall Cobb out of the backfield was our biggest thrill. Love never tasted the MM offense so this is all he knows.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Asante making a visit to GB tomorrow. Let's make it happen Gute!

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[OldSchool101]

Not getting hopes up because there’s a bunch of CB hungry wolves around him and I also don’t want to severely overpay him. Trying to he as partial as I can which is tough. I think GB would be top 2-3 destinations for him. Lots of factors but 1 will be $$$. You could justify that any of his visits could be playoff bound teams.

Would he be held back a few games and gradually battle with Nixon?

 

[tynimiller]

Not getting hopes up because there’s a bunch of CB hungry wolves around him and I also don’t want to severely overpay him. Trying to he as partial as I can which is tough. I think GB would be top 2-3 destinations for him. Lots of factors but 1 will be $$$. You could justify that any of his visits could be playoff bound teams.

Would he be held back a few games and gradually battle with Nixon?

So I am going be very atypical Tyni here....

.....if Asante comes in and passes our physical tests, I'm not letting him leave.

Yes, with injury he could come out and just not be the same...
Yes, he could come out and be the same....

This Packer team is FULLY capable of being a SB contender and I do believe personally right now outside of our OL continuing to grow and get healthier...CB is the one place I think that can make the biggest difference. Right now Hafley's tendencies to call zone and not blitz I believe is directly tied to a lack of confidence that our outside CBs can hold serve for three seconds +/- before rush gets home.

I'm serious...Asante, we need you here and we believe you could be the difference maker for our defense.

I'm willing to tack on $3-$5M in void year even on a year deal to make sure that he is here. He is the best option out there now that trade deadline has passed.

Shoot...I'd even be willing to tack on some healthy bonuses IF he say plays 90% of games from here out...$100,000 for each pick....


I'm not letting him leave.


AND FTR...I've made it clear I don't believe he was an incredible CB. Solid for sure, but dont' take this as my way of thinking he is elite.

 

[OldSchool101]

So I am going be very atypical Tyni here....

.....if Asante comes in and passes our physical tests, I'm not letting him leave.

Yes, with injury he could come out and just not be the same...
Yes, he could come out and be the same....

This Packer team is FULLY capable of being a SB contender and I do believe personally right now outside of our OL continuing to grow and get healthier...CB is the one place I think that can make the biggest difference. Right now Hafley's tendencies to call zone and not blitz I believe is directly tied to a lack of confidence that our outside CBs can hold serve for three seconds +/- before rush gets home.

I'm serious...Asante, we need you here and we believe you could be the difference maker for our defense.

I'm willing to tack on $3-$5M in void year even on a year deal to make sure that he is here. He is the best option out there now that trade deadline has passed.

Shoot...I'd even be willing to tack on some healthy bonuses IF he say plays 90% of games from here out...$100,000 for each pick....


I'm not letting him leave.


AND FTR...I've made it clear I don't believe he was an incredible CB. Solid for sure, but dont' take this as my way of thinking he is elite.

Oh I agree. I’m not afraid to overpay him a couple million to make it stick.

I think it would settle out primary concern we’ve had all season. It gives us 2 benefits. Better topside at CB and secondly, by default, better depth at CB. It answers a solid 2 of about 5-6 total questions in GB.

TE/TE depth, CB, CB depth, PR, OL depth. I’d put WR but I think WR will resolve itself here with Wicks near return and Reed behind him several weeks.

To give folks an idear. Eric Stokes had 0 PD across his last several seasons. Zero! O INT

Asante has 37 Pass Defensed and 6 INT in the equivalent of 3 full seasons!
(Only finished 3 games in 2024)

 

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Kind of surprised that Asante is making this a 2 week "tour". If he is ready to go, I would think that he would want to get the deal done, get a playbook and be ready by week 12 or 13.

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[tynimiller]

Kind of surprised that Asante is making this a 2 week "tour". If he is ready to go, I would think that he would want to get the deal done, get a playbook and be ready by week 12 or 13.

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I concur

 

[mradtke66]

Kind of surprised that Asante is making this a 2 week "tour". If he is ready to go, I would think that he would want to get the deal done, get a playbook and be ready by week 12 or 13.

It's marketing. Even if he knows who he wants to sign with, by generating buzz, he'll increase his chance for getting more money. Three of those teams are in the NFC north.

It just takes one team to blink and boom, he'll net an extra 3 million this year, if only to keep the other teams in the division from getting him.

This is unlikely to impact his ramp up time. If the call is Man to Man, anyone in the huddle can say "you've got number 2 to your side, man up" and he'll do the job. If the call is a basic zone, anyone in the huddle can remind him "You've got the wide side flat." If they're running more complicated stuff, sure, he it'll slow him down a bit, but the DC can work around that.

 

[OldSchool101]

It's marketing. Even if he knows who he wants to sign with, by generating buzz, he'll increase his chance for getting more money. Three of those teams are in the NFC north.

It just takes one team to blink and boom, he'll net an extra 3 million this year, if only to keep the other teams in the division from getting him.

This is unlikely to impact his ramp up time. If the call is Man to Man, anyone in the huddle can say "you've got number 2 to your side, man up" and he'll do the job. If the call is a basic zone, anyone in the huddle can remind him "You've got the wide side flat." If they're running more complicated stuff, sure, he it'll slow him down a bit, but the DC can work around that.

I like it.
There have only been a few minor concerns with Asante Samuel Jr. One area from when we looked at him last March was the common CB thing where they whiff on a Tackle (using more shoulder instead of wrapping up). Now I’ll admit that He’s no Nixon as far as tackling, but he seems to have elevated to more normal from what I’m seeing.
However Asante is like Sticky Rice when called to cover a Receiver. 37 Passes Defensed and 6 Picks in what amounts to 3 full seasons is highly impressive. It just speaks to how dynamic he is in respect to being involved. It’s what like to say with LB’s and TFL (tackle for loss) It’s not everything, but it 100% speaks to their capacity to be highly disruptive

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's marketing. Even if he knows who he wants to sign with, by generating buzz, he'll increase his chance for getting more money. Three of those teams are in the NFC north.

It just takes one team to blink and boom, he'll net an extra 3 million this year, if only to keep the other teams in the division from getting him.

This is unlikely to impact his ramp up time. If the call is Man to Man, anyone in the huddle can say "you've got number 2 to your side, man up" and he'll do the job. If the call is a basic zone, anyone in the huddle can remind him "You've got the wide side flat." If they're running more complicated stuff, sure, he it'll slow him down a bit, but the DC can work around that.

From everything that I have read, it really is less about the money, and more about the opportunity which a team gives him for his next contract. With the season half over, but more importantly, the injury that he is coming off of, I doubt teams will break the bank for him.

If Samuel can prove himself healthy, and more importantly, still able to play at a high level, he's going to get a big paycheck in March. I think the Packers have to be pretty high on his list, as a team that will afford him the opportunity to start and look good doing it. Not to mention, more games (playoffs) to accomplish it.

It doesn't mean it will happen (Samuels signs with the Packers) but even a Chargers reporter is saying that Green Bay makes the most sense.

Former Chargers CB Asante Samuel Jr's next team is painfully obvious

Former Chargers CB Asante Samuel Jr. is ready to return to the NFL and his next team is painfully obvious.

boltbeat.com

 

[mradtke66]

From everything that I have read, it really is less about the money,

It's about the money. Even when they say it isn't. Sometimes, especially then.

and more about the opportunity which a team gives him for his next contract. With the season half over, but more importantly, the injury that he is coming off of, I doubt teams will break the bank for him.

If Samuel can prove himself healthy, and more importantly, still able to play at a high level, he's going to get a big paycheck in March. I think the Packers have to be pretty high on his list, as a team that will afford him the opportunity to start and look good doing it. Not to mention, more games (playoffs) to accomplish it.

It doesn't mean it will happen (Samuels signs with the Packers) but even a Chargers reporter is saying that Green Bay makes the most sense.

I agree that this looks like a good match on paper and would welcome him on this 1 year rental and possibly more if he really is that healthy.