2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread

[OldSchool101]

I broke Whyle down in some other thread too, he has potential. I watched him closely in PS and his chances he's had, he is not going to push Luke IMO BUT has that potential if that makes sense. He is quite quick but is no where a violent block assistant like you'd hope and more or less his most effective form of blocking relies on technique or PURELY BEING IN THE WAY. He is however a fairly good pass protecting blocking when asked due to his athletic profile, but run game he is not moving anyone out of the way.

Route running I will say I feel he is better than Luke, while quick he isn't purely reliant on his athleticism to get him open and actually has better foot technique in and out of breaks.

Many might remember he was on my Top 5 TE watchlist prior to his final year in college and he just didn't do the growth I expected, not bad but I expected an explosion year.

What I forgot about him is he actually has significant NFL playing time with more than adequate production. The only thing is he profiles similar to Musgrave. Meaning sometimes you want a blend at TE. A true Blocker with minimal receiving ability. A true Vertical threat with minimal blocking ability. A cross over blocker and receiving TE with no massive ceiling but a high floor across the board. TE’s won’t always possess all attributes at a high level (thats the goal but unrealistic). My only reservation on Whyle is he too similar to Musgrave if that makes sense? I’d almost rather have a young Mercedes that just moves the DE like a Tackle, but can get you a pair of 1st down receptions for 20 yards, maybe float into the paint for a rare TD.

My best guess is Luke is a 500 yard
4-5 TD type TE, nothing shameful about that if you compliment him with another 300 yards 2-3 TD version TE (Whyle)

 

[tynimiller]

What I forgot about him is he actually has significant NFL playing time with more than adequate production. The only thing is he profiles similar to Musgrave. Meaning sometimes you want a blend at TE. A true Blocker with minimal receiving ability. A true Vertical threat with minimal blocking ability. A cross over blocker and receiving TE with no massive ceiling but a high floor across the board. TE’s won’t always possess all attributes at a high level (thats the goal but unrealistic). My only reservation on Whyle is he too similar to Musgrave if that makes sense? I’d almost rather have a young Mercedes that just moves the DE like a Tackle, but can get you a pair of 1st down receptions for 20 yards, maybe float into the paint for a rare TD.

My best guess is Luke is a 500 yard
4-5 TD type TE, nothing shameful about that if you compliment him with another 300 yards 2-3 TD version TE (Whyle)

Correct Whyle saw time as a rookie and significant time last year.

 

[Voyageur]

As I look around the NFL I see very few NFL TEs who are #2 on their team that actually put up too much as far as stats in catching the ball. The average TE has roughly 200 yards in receptions, and 20-25 catches. Reality tells me that if a guy can block well and hang onto the ball when thrown into his hands and lumber downfield for 4 to 10 yards on average, he's right up there in the middle of the pack. The fact is, Musgrave has signed a contract that says he can catch the ball and move it downfield. The guys behind him at #2 & #3 have to be guys who can block and catch the rare pass when nobody wants to cover them. Spending any amount of real money or a draft pick on this isn't logical. Convert an offensive lineman with good hands who doesn't need to be clocked on a calendar for the 40 and you're in business.

 

[tynimiller]

As I look around the NFL I see very few NFL TEs who are #2 on their team that actually put up too much as far as stats in catching the ball. The average TE has roughly 200 yards in receptions, and 20-25 catches. Reality tells me that if a guy can block well and hang onto the ball when thrown into his hands and lumber downfield for 4 to 10 yards on average, he's right up there in the middle of the pack. The fact is, Musgrave has signed a contract that says he can catch the ball and move it downfield. The guys behind him at #2 & #3 have to be guys who can block and catch the rare pass when nobody wants to cover them. Spending any amount of real money or a draft pick on this isn't logical. Convert an offensive lineman with good hands who doesn't need to be clocked on a calendar for the 40 and you're in business.

I'd argue this, he signed a contract that stated the team had high hopes that a college prospect without a single NFL snap could do that. Zero guarantees with college prospects.

Musgrave is absolutely going to be our TE1 moving forward this season, I don't think anyone expets otherwise, it would be a second or third tier level type TE we add if we do. Whyle will be promoted for sure and we likely fill PS with someone out there.

 

[gopkrs]

I hope we use Musgrave in the manner best for him. Not asking of him, and worse, expecting him to be other than he is. Which I think could be a decent chip blocker /pass catcher. I'm not going to expect much in the yards after contact dept but if he has some open field, he can run. imho

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While that would be great. We also could use a starting CB, and starting DT according to many fans. We just can’t go out signing 3 Starters and ignoring guys who are already in system.

Come on man, dream with me!

But you are correct. I doubt we see Gute go out and get a starting anything today. Typically, the cost to obtain players right now is at a premium and Gute already doesn't have a 1st rounder.

Also, as much as I would like to see a trade with the Commanders for Zach Ertz, I would rather see a CB brought in that can play some snaps right away.

 

[tynimiller]

I hope we use Musgrave in the manner best for him. Not asking of him, and worse, expecting him to be other than he is. Which I think could be a decent chip blocker /pass catcher. I'm not going to expect much in the yards after contact dept but if he has some open field, he can run. imho

In truth FitzPatrick is facing a BIG opportunity as well because of this, arguably could make some change himself, he is a better blocker than Musgrave IMO

 

[DoURant]

I just saw where the Packers have called about 2 TE's

Browns, David Njoku
Raiders, Michael Mayer

Doesn't mean they will do anything, but they have inquired.

 

[tynimiller]

I just saw where the Packers have called about 2 TE's

Browns, David Njoku
Raiders, Michael Mayer

Doesn't mean they will do anything, but they have inquired.

Hey looks like I still have it

Okay since you brought up TE.....let's look at some of the bad teams and their options:

Jets have Jelani Woods and Jeremy Ruckert - both in the last year of their rookie deals. Jelani has barely played or done anything and would be cheapest, but Ruckert would be a better blocking option and with Taylor drafted neither of them is changing that position landscape for Jets...

Browns drafted Fannin Jr who looks excellent....Djoku is in his final year...would the Browns consider it?? Issue is just what would it take...

Titans...they did just draft Gunnar Helm but would they hear potentially moving Okonkwo...I doubt it he is a really good TE.

Raiders....Michael Mayer has this year and one more left...Bowers is their clear TE...would Raiders move Mayer??? That would be awesome if so but worry the equity sent would exceed what I would like...especially considering we already don't have a Day1 pick...

Saints Foster Moreau has been activated...but the team is in shambles and he is in final year. They have big money TE in Juwan Johnson....see if Foster is available?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Wow....Colts are going all in.

The Indianapolis Colts are acquiring star cornerback Sauce Gardner from the New York Jets for two first-round draft picks

 

[tynimiller]

Wow....Colts are going all in.

The Indianapolis Colts are acquiring star cornerback Sauce Gardner from the New York Jets for two first-round draft picks

Oh damn!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Wow....Colts are going all in.

The Indianapolis Colts are acquiring star cornerback Sauce Gardner from the New York Jets for two first-round draft picks

Yikes and the Colts threw in WR Adonai Mitchell as well.

 

[OldSchool101]

Come on man, dream with me!

But you are correct. I doubt we see Gute go out and get a starting anything today. Typically, the cost to obtain players right now is at a premium and Gute already doesn't have a 1st rounder.

Also, as much as I would like to see a trade with the Commanders for Zach Ertz, I would rather see a CB brought in that can play some snaps right away.

Ok we’ll dream! You know I’m a Dreamer.. with a heart of gold.

I’d agree. I’d be more excited to see Rasul (not saying it’ll happen but I can dream?!) in a Packer uniform. He might not be a top CB, but I’d put him as a middle of the Road starter, but he’s got more upside taking the ball away. That comes with a mindset. Rasul would likely be cheap to trade for so we’ve got minimal to lose. I bet. 5th-7th swap etc would land him. Sounds like a lot but more like just over 1 round moving back because of draft placing.

I like Nixon but I still think he’s just a scrappy Slot CB who’s just talented enough to mask as a boundary option. He uses a lot of physicality to not get humiliated. It’s why you see him holding in every game. I have no reservations that Rasul > Nixon the deeper the ball goes. Nixon is really good against short routes and defending the Run though. I’m not worried at all about Keisean for a game or three. Past that he’s not ideal and I love the guy he’s been a total steal.

 

[Magooch]

Hearing more smoke regarding interest in Michael Mayer...

As @tynimiller mentioned he is just under contract thru 2026.

You may recall, we were very interested in him a few years ago. He was an official pre-draft visit for us and Lord knows how we like to either draft those guys or wind up bringing them to Green Bay one way or another

I would be curious as to what the cost would be though. Maybe like a conditional 4th that could become a 3rd, is that remotely realistic? Just spitballing here. I wouldn't want to be without a 1/2 for instance

 

[tynimiller]

Hearing more smoke regarding interest in Michael Mayer...

As @tynimiller mentioned he is just under contract thru 2026.

You may recall, we were very interested in him a few years ago. He was an official pre-draft visit for us and Lord knows how we like to either draft those guys or wind up bringing them to Green Bay one way or another

I would be curious as to what the cost would be though. Maybe like a conditional 4th that could become a 3rd, is that remotely realistic? Just spitballing here. I wouldn't want to be without a 1/2 for instance

Josh Whyle also was a interview visit too. Mayer would be a great addition and can do more of what we lose in Tucker vs what Musgrave excels at.

 

[tynimiller]

Hearing more smoke regarding interest in Michael Mayer...

As @tynimiller mentioned he is just under contract thru 2026.

You may recall, we were very interested in him a few years ago. He was an official pre-draft visit for us and Lord knows how we like to either draft those guys or wind up bringing them to Green Bay one way or another

I would be curious as to what the cost would be though. Maybe like a conditional 4th that could become a 3rd, is that remotely realistic? Just spitballing here. I wouldn't want to be without a 1/2 for instance

I think a third for Mayer is too rich. If I'm giving third for Mayer I'm going to need Mayer and say two fifths (26' and 27') back minimum. Mayer is solid but that is too rich IMO

 

[Magooch]

I think a third for Mayer is too rich. If I'm giving third for Mayer I'm going to need Mayer and say two fifths (26' and 27') back minimum. Mayer is solid but that is too rich IMO

Yep, that tracks for me. Not that it means a ton but a few months back I saw Raiders fans spitballing about a possible Mayer trade and they were suggesting a 4th would probably do it. On one hand we are arguably "needier" now and up against the clock but on the other he's got a few months less under contract and Raiders will certainly stand to lose a lot more of a return if they didn't move him now...

 

[tynimiller]

Yep, that tracks for me. Not that it means a ton but a few months back I saw Raiders fans spitballing about a possible Mayer trade and they were suggesting a 4th would probably do it. On one hand we are arguably "needier" now and up against the clock but on the other he's got a few months less under contract and Raiders will certainly stand to lose a lot more of a return if they didn't move him now...

Maybe they'd take Hobbs back LOL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Maybe they'd take Hobbs back LOL

But what would we have to give them to agree to take Hobbs too?

I've always been a fan of TE David Njoku. The problem is, his contract is steep and it ends this season. I don't think you can give up much for a guy like him, knowing he is merely a rental.

The other "issue" is lets not forget that Kraft should be back before or early into the 2026 season. It isn't like the Packers are looking for a long term #1 TE. Which is why the more I think about it, the more I think they stay pat with Musgraves.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Wow!

Dallas Cowboys acquiring Quinnen Williams in blockbuster trade with New York Jets​

Rapoport adds that Dallas is sending a 2026 second-rounder, a 2027 first-rounder and defensive lineman Mazi Smith to New York for Williams' services.

 

[tynimiller]

But what would we have to give them to agree to take Hobbs too?

I've always been a fan of TE David Njoku. The problem is, his contract is steep and it ends this season. I don't think you can give up much for a guy like him, knowing he is merely a rental.

The other "issue" is lets not forget that Kraft should be back before or early into the 2026 season. It isn't like the Packers are looking for a long term #1 TE. Which is why the more I think about it, the more I think they stay pat with Musgraves.

Njoku is the best guy I listed, but expiring contracts never get much back. I bet he costs less than Mayer would

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Njoku is the best guy I listed, but expiring contracts never get much back. I bet he costs less than Mayer would

Agree. I guess if the Packers had a conversation with Njoku and said "Look, we want you for more than just 3 months, would you sign a new deal with us if we trade for you, then it would be worth it. As long as that new deal was a $5-7M/deal. I think his best football is behind him.

The Browns did what I don't like seeing, in regards to his contract. They pushed a lot of it past his contract expiration, via voidable years. Even though his contract is done after this season, they still have $28M or so cap to account for if they trade him. Of course, it only drops to $24M after the season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Since we are in between games, I will put this here.

Pretty good article on MLF and his 4th down decisions being based more on his gut feeling than numbers. After reading this, I am more convinced, then I ever was, that Matt needs to give up play calling. Or more than likely, if his HC days are numbered, just be an OC for a team. He doesn't seem to do both efficiently IMO.

This article confirmed to me that Matt is often coaching by the seat of his pants and bases a lot of decision off of his emotions. Most of the rest of the NFL is relying on analytics and probabilities.

Matt LaFleur’s 4th down strategy is no numbers, just vibes

Good luck trying to predict what LaFleur will do on 4th downs in 2025.

www.acmepackingcompany.com

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Super Bowl!

Packers are signing WR Michael Woods II to the Practice Squad.

Who TF is he?

 

[Magooch]

Since we are in between games, I will put this here.

Pretty good article on MLF and his 4th down decisions being based more on his gut feeling than numbers. After reading this, I am more convinced, then I ever was, that Matt needs to give up play calling. Or more than likely, if his HC days are numbered, just be an OC for a team. He doesn't seem to do both efficiently IMO.

This article confirmed to me that Matt is often coaching by the seat of his pants and bases a lot of decision off of his emotions. Most of the rest of the NFL is relying on analytics and probabilities.

Matt LaFleur’s 4th down strategy is no numbers, just vibes

Good luck trying to predict what LaFleur will do on 4th downs in 2025.

www.acmepackingcompany.com

Wow: "the decision to go for it on 4th-and-8 early in the fourth quarter against the Panthers on Sunday was the worst decision to keep an offense on the field that LaFleur has ever made in his coaching career."