2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread

[Voyageur]

Agree. He'll be fine playing C this year, and he should, he's playing under a significant extension paying him G money. If he wants to play G and make more money, it may have to be elsewhere.

Another reason gluten was wise to double up at OL between the draft and FA. The lack of depth at G bit them hard in the loss at Philly.

I think the Packers are long for long term investments in positions of need and they see a lot of still untested but potentially solid offensive line candidates that should be starting to show their worth this year and new players, whose arc to becoming a starter is a year or two down the road.

Walker, Banks, Jenkins, Rhyan, Toms across the line as starters with some solid potential in the wings being developed with Morgan and Belton both going to end up being in a position where they should crack the starting lineup in a year or two. Beyond that, some decent backup players like Monk. Pretty good depth.

Because Monk, Belton, and Morgan need to move up in the system after this year, assuming they've got the chops, lots of changes on the horizon, but not yet. Consistency in play is a key issue.

As much as I like Jenkins - been one of my favorites from the day he hit camp - after this year he's a potential 3rd or 4th round pick in a trade if someone really needs a guy who has his skill set.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think the Packers are long for long term investments in positions of need and they see a lot of still untested but potentially solid offensive line candidates that should be starting to show their worth this year and new players, whose arc to becoming a starter is a year or two down the road.

Walker, Banks, Jenkins, Rhyan, Toms across the line as starters with some solid potential in the wings being developed with Morgan and Belton both going to end up being in a position where they should crack the starting lineup in a year or two. Beyond that, some decent backup players like Monk. Pretty good depth.

Because Monk, Belton, and Morgan need to move up in the system after this year, assuming they've got the chops, lots of changes on the horizon, but not yet. Consistency in play is a key issue.

As much as I like Jenkins - been one of my favorites from the day he hit camp - after this year he's a potential 3rd or 4th round pick in a trade if someone really needs a guy who has his skill set.

Jenkins should be a good value for someone who can afford him. Chargers, Raiders, Titans all have plenty of Cap in the near future.
Im not sure what their OL needs are though.

 

[Pkrjones]

Jenkins should be a good value for someone who can afford him. Chargers, Raiders, Titans all have plenty of Cap in the near future.
Im not sure what their OL needs are though.

Raiders, Titans or Chargers would all be great trade-Jenkins options who have plenty of cap space for an extension.

 

[Voyageur]

Raiders, Titans or Chargers would all be great trade-Jenkins options who have plenty of cap space for an extension.

No doubt about it the field of potential trade partners would be limited by cap space. his existing salary includes a lot of yearly salary, and the cap it against us is $9.6 mill if he's traded before this season, and $4.8 mill before 2026.

If I read it right, the salaries and roster bonus, and everything except the prorated advance would go to the team nabbing him. That would end up having us actually cut s substantial chunk out of this year's cap and a huge chunk next year.

If there's guys ready to step in and replace him at this point, I'd be dealing him now, with the idea that I've opened up a nice chunk of change to work with in extensions for players I need to keep before the season even starts, to give the Packers more negotiation room down the road, and FA signing money.

Just thinking out loud. His money is huge, if he ends up at center. Gotta cut costs there if it can be done legitimately. But, from a competitive standpoint, if there isn't someone who can play at a level at least 85 to 90% of his capability level, he needs to stay because we need to have an enormously strong offensive line to be a contender.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29080/elgton-jenkins

 

[OldSchool101]

No doubt about it the field of potential trade partners would be limited by cap space. his existing salary includes a lot of yearly salary, and the cap it against us is $9.6 mill if he's traded before this season, and $4.8 mill before 2026.

If I read it right, the salaries and roster bonus, and everything except the prorated advance would go to the team nabbing him. That would end up having us actually cut s substantial chunk out of this year's cap and a huge chunk next year.

If there's guys ready to step in and replace him at this point, I'd be dealing him now, with the idea that I've opened up a nice chunk of change to work with in extensions for players I need to keep before the season even starts, to give the Packers more negotiation room down the road, and FA signing money.

Just thinking out loud. His money is huge, if he ends up at center. Gotta cut costs there if it can be done legitimately. But, from a competitive standpoint, if there isn't someone who can play at a level at least 85 to 90% of his capability level, he needs to stay because we need to have an enormously strong offensive line to be a contender.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29080/elgton-jenkins

I agree. Ideally this is resolved and he stays. Yet if you notice we’re had multiple players trying out with the 1’s in his absence. Rhyan, Donovan and Monk have all been Inserted at C. It’s almost like we’re doing tryouts.

I also didn’t consider this until recently. Jenkins will turn 30yrs before his next contract. Now OL often play well into their 30’s. Yet it’s an age that many teams won’t pass out longer deals either.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think the Packers are long for long term investments in positions of need and they see a lot of still untested but potentially solid offensive line candidates that should be starting to show their worth this year and new players, whose arc to becoming a starter is a year or two down the road.

Walker, Banks, Jenkins, Rhyan, Toms across the line as starters with some solid potential in the wings being developed with Morgan and Belton both going to end up being in a position where they should crack the starting lineup in a year or two. Beyond that, some decent backup players like Monk. Pretty good depth.

Because Monk, Belton, and Morgan need to move up in the system after this year, assuming they've got the chops, lots of changes on the horizon, but not yet. Consistency in play is a key issue.

As much as I like Jenkins - been one of my favorites from the day he hit camp - after this year he's a potential 3rd or 4th round pick in a trade if someone really needs a guy who has his skill set.

Good points. Gluten created some competition and some depth for the OL this year. And as you note, the line changes slowly over time as some guys get rewarded, some guys leave in FA, some are traded. And I really like Jenkins - just a workhorse of a guy who has excelled in GB. Sorry to see him go, but that's the NFL.

 

[Voyageur]

Good points. Gluten created some competition and some depth for the OL this year. And as you note, the line changes slowly over time as some guys get rewarded, some guys leave in FA, some are traded. And I really like Jenkins - just a workhorse of a guy who has excelled in GB. Sorry to see him go, but that's the NFL.

I think you said it all with how Jenkins is a workhorse, and it's appreciated. But, when it comes to putting together a 53-man roster, you need to constantly be conscious of the salary cap and slip money into areas it's most needed. The price tag on Elgton is way too high to even consider for at least next year is my opinion. The Packers need to see it go down significantly or they need to trade him and at least recoup some of that money and move forward with a new player plugged into the spot he was going to play.

I also wonder a little bit if they didn't see a perceptive drop in his play at guard last year and decided that he'd best serve the team at center while someone was already prepared to replace him at left guard.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think you said it all with how Jenkins is a workhorse, and it's appreciated. But, when it comes to putting together a 53-man roster, you need to constantly be conscious of the salary cap and slip money into areas it's most needed. The price tag on Elgton is way too high to even consider for at least next year is my opinion. The Packers need to see it go down significantly or they need to trade him and at least recoup some of that money and move forward with a new player plugged into the spot he was going to play.

I also wonder a little bit if they didn't see a perceptive drop in his play at guard last year and decided that he'd best serve the team at center while someone was already prepared to replace him at left guard.

It's hard to believe Jenkins will likely not be on the team next year. Seems like he's been here forever, and that may be part of the problem. It is vey possible his play slipped last year, although imperceptible to most fans.

I hate to see him go, feel the same way about Dillon. But I have also realized the benefits and challenges of having a very young, very talented team. Gluten has worked wonders by keeping this team the youngest in the NFL in 2023 and 2024 (I think this is correct) while making the playoffs both years.

NFL and NBA teams are now best constructed with young, fast players. "Fast" is relative - but a 330 lb OL or DL running a 5.0 forty is indeed fast for a person so huge. QBs may be able to escape this "youth" rule if they are well protected, or just are capable of taking hits. It would be interesting to compare the average age of NFL teams now with 2015.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

Yeah I'm not in favor of these holdouts. And in Jenkins case he just got a nice raise and extension. I don't know what he wants.

And so many times when they return they get injured.

 

[OldSchool101]

As with people in life. Some wear well and some don’t. Elgton just had a down season in 2024 from expectation after extending him to a larger $17Mil yearly. Now he still gets paid $17Mil to play Center after a lousy season and he’s the 2nd highest paid Center behind Creed Humphrey at $18m yearly. If anyone should be whining it should be Creed after seeing Elgton making as much as him.

 

[Heyjoe4]

And so many times when they return they get injured.

Good case against third contracts, especially on the OL where these guys take a pounding on each play. 30 years old sure as hell doesn't sound old to me. But an NFL lineman at 30 has taken a lot of hits and poses a higher risk on a 3rd contract.

That said, I truly like Jenkins. He's been a valuable player on that OL for years.

 

[tynimiller]

As with people in life. Some wear well and some don’t. Elgton just had a down season in 2024 from expectation after extending him to a larger $17Mil yearly. Now he still gets paid $17Mil to play Center after a lousy season and he’s the 2nd highest paid Center behind Creed Humphrey at $18m yearly. If anyone should be whining it should be Creed after seeing Elgton making as much as him.

Just for sake of timeline is all it wasn't extension and then just one season. He signed his extension in December of 2022...while our season was still ongoing.
Then the 2023 season and the 2024 season occurred.

So he is really 2+ seasons into his extension and 2.5 years calendar wise.

 

[OldSchool101]

Justing scanning the Roster before cutdowns I feel like the Defense won’t be all that much different than 2024. Maybe Top 5 scoring area at Peak performance. I say that mostly because we didn’t do anything extravagant as far as adding a true difference maker. However imo our biggest loss impact wise was Eric Wilson veteran presence (51% snap count). I doubt we see much more usage from McDuffie (64%) or Quay (89%). That leaves Cooper, Simmons, Oliver or possibly Hopper. I’m pretty comfortable in saying that whichever players from that grouping eat up the available snaps missed by Wilson should be fine.

Then behind him impact loss of Slaton (39% snaps). While this area might hold the biggest ?? Marks. I’m more than comfortable that TJ’s snaps will be replaced by Clark rising from 39% to 50% area, Wyatt from 41% to around 50% and contributions from Wooden, Brinson or even Stackhouse if he makes the cut. I just don’t see some massive dropoff worst case scenario.

I’d be very surprised if we don’t have someone who can hold up Eric Stokes lower impact. Stokes played a career low 54% of D snaps in 2024. Imo he played at a lackluster level. Very non exciting level CB. While we don’t have a definitive boundary upgrade, I could see Valentine matching or exceeding Stokes level of coverage.

I can see some minor improvement at Pass Rush with Sorrell or Oliver fighting for prominence and thrn getting plugged in. Also between Lukas VN (39%) and Brenton Cox Jr (33%) I feel like 1 of those two show up more. Cox Jr was inactive for 11 games last season and once activated he came to play. He was pacing double digit Sacks (4 in 7 games) and double digit TFL (5 in 7 games). He made an immediate impact as a + starter with 7QB hits. 3 Knockdowns, 4 Sacks, 5 TFL, 8 hurries. That’s actually surprising good across 160 snaps. I’d be shocked if he didn’t make the 53.

 

[OldSchool101]

So imo the D holds firm. Hovering inside the Top 5-10 range.

The area to watch is Offense. We bring back our entire Offense minus Myers. Myers was the Stokes version at Center. While not despicable he was a relative disappointment. We have several position battles with high graded players. Throw in the mix Belton, Morgan and Banks fighting for what’s likely 2 spots and I’m feeling pretty good we are poised for an uptick at OL.

Where the difference lies is throwing into the mix Golden, Savion, Musgrave and Lloyd. That’s 4 more Day1-2 weapons rotating in for depth. Watson is pacing a bit earlier comeback than anticipated so he’s merely a bonus. A #34 overall bonus in Year 4. Then an wildcard bonus in WR/PR Mecole Hardman who’s this far severely impressed in Camp.

The obvious also is Reed, Wicks, Doubs are all in their 3rd-4th seasons where you often see a particular player pop. We could do worse seeing a player like Melton or Heath on the outside looking in at WR7 area.

At TE we have a solid in Kraft. While Musgrave started his Rookie campaign with 66% snaps across 12 games. His injuries kept him at 31% usage across 7 games. In Camp we’re seeing a high uptick of 12 Personnel and he’s looking stout from early reports. I think this kid is going to fight his tail off to show his worth.

At RB we’re solid with Jacobs-Wilson and Chris Brooks as a nice in system safety valve. Yet at RB enters Marshawn Lloyd. The 2 plus on Lloyd are he’s very familiar with this playbook. He had nothing to do but study and rehab year 1 and think about what he’s been missing out on. That has its own unique way to motivate a person. RB’s are one of a very select number of position groups that have the propensity to excel in year 1. Yet our USC star RB now has 2 full offseason programs and I’m guessing will come in with a vengeance. My prediction is If he’s on the field? he’s going to factor and factor quickly. I think he’s capable of Devin Singleterry type impact in real time. Now Lloyd might not be your feature RB, but he’s no slouch. He was my often my predraft 4th Round choice (he did have injury concerns pre draft). Gutey had him higher. I almost always mock drafted Lloyd over Tyrone Tracy who was my favorite choice once Lloyd was off the board.

I have him projected impact level somewhere between young Singleterry, but at David Montgomery (sized). Marshawn is the Robin to our Jacobs Batman.
If this OL holds or upticks? We’re going to surprise some people with our RB trio. MLF must find a way to get those Guys in space, they’ll tear it up