2025 Roster - Semi Live Thread

[Heyjoe4]

The Jenkins thing just sends a poor message. If a player is under contract and does not show up the NFL needs to have a clause that their pay is reduced by 0.5% daily until they resume.
He’s getting paid handsomely, I don’t see a situation here at all where it’s proven his pay is affected. No GM is going to look at Jenkins as a pure Center even if he plays all year at C. Plus he’s being paid as a Guard it’s not like he loses $ in 2025.
His Agent obviously isn’t very smart if he thinks another GM and their Staff doesn’t follow the entire history of the player.

Correct. Jenkins is being paid like a top G in the NFL, and he'll almost certainly play C this year. He's ahead of the game. So why the hold out?

 

[Heyjoe4]

I agree. It should also include that penalty against the signing bonus.

In business there are most definitely significant penalties for failing to honor a contract. I suppose he's subject to fines for holding out of mandatory practices, but they probably aren't punitive. I see no reason for Jenkins to hold out. He's being paid as a top G. Maybe I'm missing something here.

 

[gopkrs]

In the unlikely event of that happening, the player is still under contract and so protected

That's a good point. If he gets hurt he's protected for the contract and if he plays well; he won't have a problem playing somewhere the next season

 

[Sanguine camper]

Correct. Jenkins is being paid like a top G in the NFL, and he'll almost certainly play C this year. He's ahead of the game. So why the hold out?

Jenkins is looking ahead to a third contract. Good luck with that. He knows that his market as a Guard is probably higher than at center given that he's proven himself at LG and is an unknown at center. From his point of view, the switch to center could reduce his career earnings. That assumes he'll get a lucrative third contract which is a big if.

Making Jenkins happy by giving him an extension at a top flight guard rate isn't what the Packers normally do after a second contract. If Jenkins holds out, he'll be traded for what appears to be low compensation because draft picks are overvalued.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Jenkins is looking ahead to a third contract. Good luck with that. He knows that his market as a Guard is probably higher than at center given that he's proven himself at LG and is an unknown at center. From his point of view, the switch to center could reduce his career earnings. That assumes he'll get a lucrative third contract which is a big if.

Making Jenkins happy by giving him an extension at a top flight guard rate isn't what the Packers normally do after a second contract. If Jenkins holds out, he'll be traded for what appears to be low compensation because draft picks are overvalued.

Yeah it's a problem. But Jenkins is getting up there. He is a proven quality starter at G. He may vey well be gone after this season, assuming he's around this season. I hope he is.

 

[Heyjoe4]

That's a good point. If he gets hurt he's protected for the contract and if he plays well; he won't have a problem playing somewhere the next season

Yeah that makes his hold out strange. It appears he wants an extension that will pay him like a G. I get his point, but don't think the Packers should give him an extension now.

 

[Pkrjones]

Yeah that makes his hold out strange. It appears he wants an extension that will pay him like a G. I get his point, but don't think the Packers should give him an extension now.

Jenkins didn't break PFF's top-32 OG's in 2024, but is the 5th highest paid. He's already OVER-paid for the performance he's giving GB. GB needs to plan on '25 without Jenkins at OC, as even if he "decides to play" it won't be at an elite level, but to collect a pay check. Let Jennings, Monk & Rhyan battle for starting gig, & fine Jenkins as allowed.

PFF Guard Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2025 NFL season

For the second straight year, the Atlanta Falcons' Chris Lindstrom tops PFF's pre-season NFL guard rankings.

www.pff.com

 

[OldSchool101]

Correct. Jenkins is being paid like a top G in the NFL, and he'll almost certainly play C this year. He's ahead of the game. So why the hold out?

Exactly..and if I’m going to pursue him next year as a GM, I’m not thinking he’s expecting lower Center $$$. The guy can really for the most part play any position. If anything if he proved himself at Center his value increases or at least solidifies. He’s your starting Guard and backup Center.

I guess the other angle we could look at it is he wants to stay in GB. I guess I can’t fault a guy for that. He’s using the leverage that we need him at Center to gain an extension. He might be thinking he’s going to play himself right out of GB.

I just don’t like that taking the “negotiating terrorist” approach. It reminded me of once I sold my vehicle for like $30K and the purchaser put a stop payment on their check because they had a minor concern about a 3rd Row seatbelt sticking (one which I never used I only have 1 child) They wanted me to pay for it and meanwhile they were driving MY vehicle and holding full payment! It’s used vehicle it’s not perfect!
It’s dirty pool. They’re lucky I didn’t file a stolen vehicle report or press charges for writing a bad check with intent to defraud.

 

[Voyageur]

Exactly..and if I’m going to pursue him next year as a GM, I’m not thinking he’s expecting lower Center $$$. The guy can really for the most part play any position. If anything if he proved himself at Center his value increases or at least solidifies. He’s your starting Guard and backup Center.

I guess the other angle we could look at it is he wants to stay in GB. I guess I can’t fault a guy for that. He’s using the leverage that we need him at Center to gain an extension. He might be thinking he’s going to play himself right out of GB.

I just don’t like that taking the “negotiating terrorist” approach. It reminded me of once I sold my vehicle for like $30K and the purchaser put a stop payment on their check because they had a minor concern about a 3rd Row seatbelt sticking (one which I never used I only have 1 child) They wanted me to pay for it and meanwhile they were driving MY vehicle and holding full payment! It’s used vehicle it’s not perfect!
It’s dirty pool. They’re lucky I didn’t file a stolen vehicle report or pressed charges for writing a bad check with intent to defraud.

You might not win with a stolen car action, but I'd be more than willing to bet he didn't have enough money in the bank to cover the check and therefore it's fraud. You could get the car, damages for "concern" and he'd spend some time cooling his heels in the crow-bar-hotel.

 

[OldSchool101]

You might not win with a stolen car action, but I'd be more than willing to bet he didn't have enough money in the bank to cover the check and therefore it's fraud. You could get the car, damages for "concern" and he'd spend some time cooling his heels in the crow-bar-hotel.

Yes. That is when I learned personal checks are not guaranteed when they show funds being pulled from the payers bank. If it’s 2 separate entities it has to make the clearinghouse. Many personal checks aren’t solid for over 10 days, contrary to what I (and most others) thought. People will holler at you for their car title the second their funds show a change in status. That has nothing to do with the validity of the check. Get them to wire the $$ that’s as good as cash. That or pay in Benjamin’s

 

[OldSchool101]

Jenkins didn't break PFF's top-32 OG's in 2024, but is the 5th highest paid. He's already OVER-paid for the performance he's giving GB. GB needs to plan on '25 without Jenkins at OC, as even if he "decides to play" it won't be at an elite level, but to collect a pay check. Let Jennings, Monk & Rhyan battle for starting gig, & fine Jenkins as allowed.

PFF Guard Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2025 NFL season

For the second straight year, the Atlanta Falcons' Chris Lindstrom tops PFF's pre-season NFL guard rankings.

www.pff.com

Good stuff. I like our options. I think it’s very likely we work something out with Elgton, but as you said he’s not playing at an irreplaceable level either. Also he’d be learning a new position so if we’re going to move on this would be the time to do so imo. He’s really gambling because it’s not like he’s coming off a Probowl type season and holding out. He’s was average at Guard and we just hired his replacement with Banks. Plus we have Belton in the Shadows.

The more I ponder it I wouldn’t be opposed to Rhyan kicking inside to Center because he’s very good in tight quarters. He has great short area power and a mean streak to Win in the Run game. Plus mobility to go second level. Morgan could man RG and Walker Stay put at LT.
Walker.Banks.Rhyan.Morgan.Tom

It was smart of Gutey to bring in Banks and Belton. Triple bonus we got Morgan back. For once we have options. Actually pretty strong options.

 

[OldSchool101]

Jenkins didn't break PFF's top-32 OG's in 2024, but is the 5th highest paid. He's already OVER-paid for the performance he's giving GB. GB needs to plan on '25 without Jenkins at OC, as even if he "decides to play" it won't be at an elite level, but to collect a pay check. Let Jennings, Monk & Rhyan battle for starting gig, & fine Jenkins as allowed.

PFF Guard Rankings: Top 32 ahead of the 2025 NFL season

For the second straight year, the Atlanta Falcons' Chris Lindstrom tops PFF's pre-season NFL guard rankings.

www.pff.com

Good stuff. I like our options. I think it’s very likely we still work something out with Elgton, but as you said he’s not playing at an irreplaceable level either. Also he’d be learning a new position so if we’re going to move on this would be the time to do so imo. He’s really gambling because it’s not like he’s coming off a Probowl type season and holding out. He’s was average at Guard in 2024 and we just hired his replacement with Banks. Plus we have Belton in the Shadows. So we’ve got several options at backup LT, RT, IC, OG etc.

The more I ponder it I wouldn’t be opposed to Rhyan kicking inside to Center because he’s very good in tight quarters. He has great short area power and a mean streak to Win in the Run game.

 

[Pkrjones]

The more I ponder it I wouldn’t be opposed to Rhyan kicking inside to Center because he’s very good in tight quarters. He has great short area power and a mean streak to Win in the Run game. Plus mobility to go second level. Morgan could man RG and Walker Stay put at LT.
Walker.Banks.Rhyan.Morgan.Tom

It was smart of Gutey to bring in Banks and Belton. Triple bonus we got Morgan back. For once we have options. Actually pretty strong options.

If Rhyan (25 yrs old) does slide inside to OC he has the year to prove that he's a long term keeper. If he excels & becomes a top-10 OC Gute could then offer up a 3yr/$22-$25mil deal to keep him OR let him walk for a 4th/5th comp pick. ** Edit** I'm seeing Rhyan only has 2 accrued seasons right now, & that he'd be a RFA in '26 - is that correct? Then he'd be super cheap in '26!!

Monk & Jennings have the preseason to take over the OC role, as well... gotta think (hope?, pray?) that one is ready to shine?

 

[Voyageur]

Moving Jenkins into the middle wasn't a knee jerk reaction. I'd guess they believe that they have guys in the pipeline who can step up and play the other 4 positions, with a modicum of depth. With Jenkins in the middle, they can take a year to evaluate just how well Monk has progressed and consider him next man up so they can let Jenkins go, or realize they need to find someone who will fill the bill.

We have two highly drafted players who aren't even being discussed by most people, even though they're part of the equation for the change. I think the Packers believe their best line would include Jenkins at center simply because they have someone who can step in and do a solid job at left guard.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Exactly..and if I’m going to pursue him next year as a GM, I’m not thinking he’s expecting lower Center $$$. The guy can really for the most part play any position. If anything if he proved himself at Center his value increases or at least solidifies. He’s your starting Guard and backup Center.

I guess the other angle we could look at it is he wants to stay in GB. I guess I can’t fault a guy for that. He’s using the leverage that we need him at Center to gain an extension. He might be thinking he’s going to play himself right out of GB.

I just don’t like that taking the “negotiating terrorist” approach. It reminded me of once I sold my vehicle for like $30K and the purchaser put a stop payment on their check because they had a minor concern about a 3rd Row seatbelt sticking (one which I never used I only have 1 child) They wanted me to pay for it and meanwhile they were driving MY vehicle and holding full payment! It’s used vehicle it’s not perfect!
It’s dirty pool. They’re lucky I didn’t file a stolen vehicle report or press charges for writing a bad check with intent to defraud.

Yeah I'm not in favor of these holdouts. And in Jenkins case he just got a nice raise and extension. I don't know what he wants.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah I'm not in favor of these holdouts. And in Jenkins case he just got a nice raise and extension. I don't know what he wants.

My guess is he’s probably seeing a real possibility he’s not in GB next year. My best guess is Tom gets another contract. Tom is too good to let go. It’s likely the Packers can’t afford (or won’t want to) to pay 2 OL bigger deals. In GB they tend to lock down 1-2 OL and go value on the others by drafting in Day1-2 at Tackle. Thrn Day 3 at Guard/C
Overall we’ve been pretty successful with that approach.

Normally you can get a decent return at OC/OG in Day 3. As examples Newman, Rasheed Walker, Runyon Jr., Mccray, Linsley, Tretter, Newhouse, the list goes on. Seems like it about a 2.5:1 hit ratio in Day 3. For every 2-3 OL you get a pretty good starter. Other advantage being you sometimes strike gold (Bak, Walker) in Day 3.

It’s a delicate balancing act and even includes some moderate FA signings on occasion. We just can’t be handing out multiple $20M+ annual contracts the math doesn’t work.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't think Jenkins will have trouble finding work

 

[OldSchool101]

If Rhyan (25 yrs old) does slide inside to OC he has the year to prove that he's a long term keeper. If he excels & becomes a top-10 OC Gute could then offer up a 3yr/$22-$25mil deal to keep him OR let him walk for a 4th/5th comp pick. ** Edit** I'm seeing Rhyan only has 2 accrued seasons right now, & that he'd be a RFA in '26 - is that correct? Then he'd be super cheap in '26!!

I reviewed Rhyan coming out of college and one of his concerns was shorter 32.375 arms. Rhyan played quite a bit at Tackle in College, so that would exasperated that issue in the Pros. However once he reduced inside it covered up that issue. However on his flip side he has a good anchor against bull rushes and isn’t easily moved. He’s also formidable in getting push in the Run game and athletic enough to get to the second level to look for work. Seans’ traits align well for Center work if the cerebral part clicks.
(6’4.5 X 322Lb). He’s got good size and short area pop also. If you put a guy like Banks on 1 side or Belton on the other, we’d have some rare size or power in the middle compared to what we’re used to. We’re talking a 1/2 Ton of Men RG,C,LG.
Then athletic upside Tackles like Morgan and Tom and I could see an uptick in the Run game for sure.

That’s what I kinda envision us looking for. You look at our backfield and we’re pretty Big across the board.

Jacobs 5’10” 220lb
Lloyd 5’9” 220lb
Wilson 5’10” 226lb
Savion 6’4” 222lb.
Brooks 6’ 220lb

 

[Pkrjones]

I don't think Jenkins will have trouble finding work

Don't doubt it, but doesn't necessarily need to be GB overpaying for him. If he's not all-in & just playing for a paycheck trade him, get a '26 day 2 pick, & move on.

 

[OldSchool101]

Don't doubt it, but doesn't necessarily need to be GB overpaying for him. If he's not all-in & just playing for a paycheck trade him, get a '26 day 2 pick, & move on.

A Jenkins trade would free up near $33Mil in cap across the 25-26 seasons. Thats not small potatoes

I’m not suggesting it’s the best approach. Yet if he becomes insufferable we’re not in dire straits here. The best case is he plays this season and we trade him next offseason and recoup 20mil cap and move on ($4.8mil dead)

 

[Voyageur]

A Jenkins trade would free up near $33Mil in cap across the 25-26 seasons. Thats not small potatoes

I’m not suggesting it’s the best approach. Yet if he becomes insufferable we’re not in dire straits here. The best case is he plays this season and we trade him next offseason and recoup 20mil cap and move on ($4.8mil dead)

I think this is the most likely scenario if the Packers decide that they don't want to pay him more money. He actually controls a lot of this, and he might feel that if he goes elsewhere after this year, that he'd be able to renegotiate a sizeable contract for himself. His agent is obviously well aware of what the possibilities are and Elgton is going forward with his advice.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Certainly Jenkins and his agent are trying to maximize his value over the next 3 to 4 seasons. If they think that he would probably be gone after the 25 season, what would bring a better contract? Established Guard or center where he might or might not excel in 25.

Jenkins is looking to extend his career in order to sign a third contract. I think he reads the handwriting on the wall that he'll probably be gone quite soon if the Packers sign Tom to a big deal. Not likely to have 3 guys on the O line with big contracts.

If any other IOL can step forward and play center in camp, Jenkins will be dealt in a hurry if he's still a hold-out.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think this is the most likely scenario if the Packers decide that they don't want to pay him more money. He actually controls a lot of this, and he might feel that if he goes elsewhere after this year, that he'd be able to renegotiate a sizeable contract for himself. His agent is obviously well aware of what the possibilities are and Elgton is going forward with his advice.

Yep. For myself it has the aroma of the JA situation, yet the holdup is $$$ on both. JA hurdle was his injury history. Elgton hurdle is we signed his successor at $19.25Mil annual.
We likely don’t want to invest more $ on Elgton. We have 2 guys in Tom and Banks who will be over $40Mil annual by 2026. Elgton knows it.
I still think Jenkins would be fine playing out his final year here though. I think his fear is he doesn’t excel at Center and his value drops mixed with he’s 95% gone either way next season. Might be better to get rework now instead of 9 months from now.

 

[Heyjoe4]

My guess is he’s probably seeing a real possibility he’s not in GB next year. My best guess is Tom gets another contract. Tom is too good to let go. It’s likely the Packers can’t afford (or won’t want to) to pay 2 OL bigger deals. In GB they tend to lock down 1-2 OL and go value on the others by drafting in Day1-2 at Tackle. Thrn Day 3 at Guard/C
Overall we’ve been pretty successful with that approach.

Normally you can get a decent return at OC/OG in Day 3. As examples Newman, Rasheed Walker, Runyon Jr., Mccray, Linsley, Tretter, Newhouse, the list goes on. Seems like it about a 2.5:1 hit ratio in Day 3. For every 2-3 OL you get a pretty good starter. Other advantage being you sometimes strike gold (Bak, Walker) in Day 3.

It’s a delicate balancing act and even includes some moderate FA signings on occasion. We just can’t be handing out multiple $20M+ annual contracts the math doesn’t work.

Tom is going to get paid by the Packers, and ideally now, before the season starts. There's no reason to gamble with him. He's too good.

As for Jenkins, he'll be gone next year, if the Packers want to keep him at C. And gopkrs is right, he'll have no trouble finding a team.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think this is the most likely scenario if the Packers decide that they don't want to pay him more money. He actually controls a lot of this, and he might feel that if he goes elsewhere after this year, that he'd be able to renegotiate a sizeable contract for himself. His agent is obviously well aware of what the possibilities are and Elgton is going forward with his advice.

Agree. He'll be fine playing C this year, and he should, he's playing under a significant extension paying him G money. If he wants to play G and make more money, it may have to be elsewhere.

Another reason gluten was wise to double up at OL between the draft and FA. The lack of depth at G bit them hard in the loss at Philly.