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[Heyjoe4]

We have this running back....don't know his name....Jacobs something or other....who salivates thinking about LBs having to respect the stretch plays so that he can put them on roller skates or steamroll them on runs up the middle.

You guys both make good points about the strategic benefits of having the jet sweep in the playbook. I never cared much for the play because it so rarely seems to produce results. But as the run sets up the pass, and vice versa, the jet sweep forces the defense to be ready for it, and that means protecting the Edge.

I don't know if there is a RPO-type play for the sweep. That is, fake the jet sweep, thin out the middle of the D, and let Jacobs roll. I'm sure such a thing exists because the jet sweep takes time to set up with the WR in motion in the backfield.

Anyway, thanks. I had not looked at that aspect of the "threat" of a jet sweep, and how valuable that could be to a bowling ball like Jacobs running right up the middle, or through the nearest gap.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think GB should (and will) hold onto Walker. This isn’t the season to be trading starting LT’s trying to better some futuristic draft capital by maybe 1 RD. As far as dismissing a 3rd or 4th Rounder Draft selection as “not important”? I have a feeling there’s some other motivation there because that statement makes absolutely zero sense.

I think you're right about Walker. Unless he gets injured, I expect he wills start at LT. Morgan will be used like a sixth man for the OL, valuable depth (hopefully).

Decisions on Walker can be made after the season ends. Now if someone needs a LT and is willing to trade a decent draft pick, well that's worth considering I guess. Just don't see it happening.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think you're right about Walker. Unless he gets injured, I expect he wills start at LT. Morgan will be used like a sixth man for the OL, valuable depth (hopefully).

Decisions on Walker can be made after the season ends. Now if someone needs a LT and is willing to trade a decent draft pick, well that's worth considering I guess. Just don't see it happening.

This. Plus things evolve. Walker as an example is still evolving. It’s very possible he hasn’t played his best season in GB.

Also it’s very preliminary. Yet Morgan might just need more time to translate today at LT after missing 2024. I truly think he can play LT, but I think he’ll be more that guy that needs a year or two to translate. As the bulk of scouts said when projecting him… he’s going to be a high graded guard near immediately. We can ease him in the plans enough that if Walker misses time, he’s a comfortable answer until he gets back etc.

 

[tynimiller]

Updated with some of the most recent changes - Corey Ballentine addition being the latest.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I thought you meant trading Walker to a team for a Draft pick, which you’d lose your compensatory etc.

While I always think about the "If you let him walk after his contract is up, you get a compensatory pick." I have to remember that it doesn't guarantee a pick. It is just one player that goes into the "loss" column when it comes to determining comp picks for the following years draft. So if the Packer sign a Free Agent, that has the same "compensatory value" as Walker, they wash, and no pick is received.

All that said, Walker is a very capable LT and may even be the starter. Even if someone beats him out, it would take more than a 3rd rounder for me to part with him. It is a long season and as we see almost every season, at least 1-2 OL players get hurt and miss games. Not having a capable backup at LT could lose you some games.

Walker has tremendous value for the Packers at a very cheap price ($3.4M).
I would consider it a real stupid move to trade him, unless the payback was substantial. I also am not sold on the fact that this is Walkers last season in GB. Will they pay him top LT money on another contract? Probably not, but at this point, I don't think he has reached that level to demand it. 2025 is a long season ahead, you don't purge a starting LT that is on his final year of his rookie deal.

 

[El Guapo]

I agree with every point that you made, but stranger things have happened.

 

[tynimiller]

While I always think about the "If you let him walk after his contract is up, you get a compensatory pick." I have to remember that it doesn't guarantee a pick. It is just one player that goes into the "loss" column when it comes to determining comp picks for the following years draft. So if the Packer sign a Free Agent, that has the same "compensatory value" as Walker, they wash, and no pick is received.

All that said, Walker is a very capable LT and may even be the starter. Even if someone beats him out, it would take more than a 3rd rounder for me to part with him. It is a long season and as we see almost every season, at least 1-2 OL players get hurt and miss games. Not having a capable backup at LT could lose you some games.

Walker has tremendous value for the Packers at a very cheap price ($3.4M).
I would consider it a real stupid move to trade him, unless the payback was substantial. I also am not sold on the fact that this is Walkers last season in GB. Will they pay him top LT money on another contract? Probably not, but at this point, I don't think he has reached that level to demand it. 2025 is a long season ahead, you don't purge a starting LT that is on his final year of his rookie deal.

You precisely broke down the compensatory risk vs known draft pick return in a trade thing many forget and just pretend the return will be there.

I have said for a while Walker's future with GB is not in his hands IMO...meaning there isn't anything he can do that will change it within reason. Of course if he went out and just magically sucked and became a turntable that would change things. But he could go out and have another solid as ever season and it doesn't hinge on him. We spent high draft equity on two OL in Morgan and Belton of late...plus not too mention some guys like Jennings, Glover and Williams whom the team has tremendous things to say about their growth and potential.

To me the only way it makes fiscal and team construction sense to spend serious money of any kind on Walker is if Morgan, Belton and also Glover show an absolute inability to be a tackle in the NFL.

 

[Voyageur]

The whole issue with Rasheed will be money after this season. If he's not priced out, he will stay in green & gold, but chances are some idiotic GM will pay more than he's worth to get someone who can at least stop some of the rushing defenders. The Packers are preparing for it with their draft picks. It's a decision that will be made either during this season or between this season and next year.

I think the Packers will know by the end of this season if they have someone who can be "next man up" to replace him.

 

[OldSchool101]

While I always think about the "If you let him walk after his contract is up, you get a compensatory pick." I have to remember that it doesn't guarantee a pick. It is just one player that goes into the "loss" column when it comes to determining comp picks for the following years draft. So if the Packer sign a Free Agent, that has the same "compensatory value" as Walker, they wash, and no pick is received.

Sure. Keep in mind though who’s likely gone in these hypotheticals as Free Agents. So in my hypothetical of letting Walker walk, these are just some of our other potential Unrestricted losses that also go into that clump of compensatory formula.

Malik Willis QB
Christian Watson WR
Romeo Doubs WR
Kingsley Enagbare
Sean Rhyan
Emmanuel Wilson
Bo Melton
Daniel Whelan
Rasheed Walker

While several players will get resigned, I think it’s safe to say it won’t be that entire list either. Also, That’s not a complete list. So I think it’s safe to say Walker won’t have his compensatory values erased in 2027. I do understand your general point though it is generally true. I just don’t think it applies here imo. Not unless we go 2018 and sign 4 high priced FA etc.

Further Im fully expecting that at minimum 1 of Watson or Doubs or Sean Rhyan gets signed to a good deal outside of GB as a Starter. John Runyon Jr signed a $10Mil annual deal that netted a 5th Comp on the formula he was 9th of 22 awarded 5ths Rounders just for a reference idea. These guys are all very much comparables.

Truthfully there’s a real chance that Willis gets that or more.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Sure. Keep in mind though who’s likely gone in these hypotheticals as Free Agents. So in my hypothetical of letting Walker walk, these are just some of our other potential Unrestricted losses that also go into that clump of compensatory formula.

Malik Willis QB
Christian Watson WR
Romeo Doubs WR
Kingsley Enagbare
Sean Rhyan
Emmanuel Wilson
Bo Melton
Daniel Whelan
Rasheed Walker

While several players will get resigned, I think it’s safe to say it won’t be that entire list either. Also, That’s not a complete list. So I think it’s safe to say Walker won’t have his compensatory values erased in 2027. I do understand your general point though it is generally true. I just don’t think it applies here imo. Not unless we go 2018 and sign 4 high priced FA etc.

Further Im fully expecting that at minimum 1 of Watson or Doubs or Sean Rhyan gets signed to a good deal outside of GB as a Starter. John Runyon Jr signed a $10Mil annual deal that netted a 5th Comp on the formula he was 9th of 22 awarded 5ths Rounders just for a reference idea. These guys are all very much comparables.

Truthfully there’s a real chance that Willis gets that or more.

That's an interesting list and my guess is that more guys will leave than will stay, I just don't know which players. They all have a lot riding on how well they perform this year. That will make the successful guys expensive to resign as FAs.

I think Rhyan, Wilson and Whelan will be back, Willis will be gone, and beyond that it's a toss up. One silver lining, all these guys are playing for their next contract, so they should be at their absolute best. Most commenters seem to think Walker will be gone next season. I'm not convinced yet. His FA value is likely to be more than the Packers are willing to pay. That's one reason Gluten paid a lot of attention to the OL in FA and the draft.

I was hoping they could have moved Willis for a decent draft pick. Still, it's worth it to have him for backup insurance.

 

[tynimiller]

Sure. Keep in mind though who’s likely gone in these hypotheticals as Free Agents. So in my hypothetical of letting Walker walk, these are just some of our other potential Unrestricted losses that also go into that clump of compensatory formula.

Malik Willis QB
Christian Watson WR
Romeo Doubs WR
Kingsley Enagbare
Sean Rhyan
Emmanuel Wilson
Bo Melton
Daniel Whelan
Rasheed Walker

While several players will get resigned, I think it’s safe to say it won’t be that entire list either. Also, That’s not a complete list. So I think it’s safe to say Walker won’t have his compensatory values erased in 2027. I do understand your general point though it is generally true. I just don’t think it applies here imo. Not unless we go 2018 and sign 4 high priced FA etc.

Further Im fully expecting that at minimum 1 of Watson or Doubs or Sean Rhyan gets signed to a good deal outside of GB as a Starter. John Runyon Jr signed a $10Mil annual deal that netted a 5th Comp on the formula he was 9th of 22 awarded 5ths Rounders just for a reference idea. These guys are all very much comparables.

Truthfully there’s a real chance that Willis gets that or more.

The entirety of the list of guys is precisely why I envision Gute and Co would be wise to deal a guy or two of those for draft capital in 2026 rather than have to wait for 2027 compensatory picks. Now that could look dramatically different:

Scenario #1
Enagbare traded for a 6th and Rhyan traded for a 5th

Scenario #2
Walker traded for a 3rd and Doubs also for a 3rd (either scenario we likely send a 6th or 7th along with)

I've brought it up before and I think you have as well for the benefit of others in the discussions of trades and comp picks - the ceiling for a compensatory pick is the 3rd round. GMs have to weigh it all with the future in mind also in that say a Rasheed Walker...does he end up signing a starting LT contract, if yes he likely might snag us a 3rd round compensatory in the formula for 2027 (could be offset by signings but you get what I'm saying)....is that potential 2027 3rd rounder worth more or less than say a 2026 4th round pick....

Now the construction of the rest of the roster is a big part of that...also not to mention what positional needs are incoming and how confident their scouting department sees the landscape of a position in the 2026 draft or the 2027 draft might also need considered.

I don't recall a group of pending FAs currently on rookie deals in GB in a LONG time...and because of that it will be interesting to see what does Gute and Co do...do we spread the return some by trading a guy or two now for quicker return while seeing the year through with others and getting return back in 2027 potentially....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't recall a group of pending FAs currently on rookie deals in GB in a LONG time.

The Packers 2022 draft may go down as one of their most successful ones in a long time.

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[tynimiller]

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Yup, I've long said it is about as flawless of a draft class as I can remember.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm pumped....

A guy I had an interesting late Day 3 grade on is now in house.

Isaiah Neyor from Nebraska is 6'4' 218lbs but still scoots at an astounding 4.43 forty time (but I remember hearing at the time that he was having cramping issues that day) and a respectable 1.56 ten yard split. At his size that is very respectable. I knew him and loved him for a transfer candidate after in 2021 at Wyoming he put up 878 yards and 12 TDs. He went to Texas but struggled to see the field after recovering from an ACL tear that took his 2022 season from him and 2023 he just couldn't get on the field and some suspect he wasn't fully recovered. Then granted that extra year he decided to go to Nebraska where at a rough school for receivers (only 2800 yards thrown by the starter...) he put up 455 yards on just 34 catches and 5 TDs. Nothing crazy eye popping, but this dude has been hardened by his terrible injury timing, has fought back and is an incredible athlete.

With him and Cornelius in the house beyond Heath and Hardman...I truly do think if we get through a week or two healthy in PS Gute is going to move a WR

 

[tynimiller]

Updated OP
Isaiah Neyor and Lecitus Smith signed
Glover to IR
Sam Brown Jr waived

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm pumped....

A guy I had an interesting late Day 3 grade on is now in house.

Isaiah Neyor from Nebraska is 6'4' 218lbs but still scoots at an astounding 4.43 forty time (but I remember hearing at the time that he was having cramping issues that day) and a respectable 1.56 ten yard split. At his size that is very respectable. I knew him and loved him for a transfer candidate after in 2021 at Wyoming he put up 878 yards and 12 TDs. He went to Texas but struggled to see the field after recovering from an ACL tear that took his 2022 season from him and 2023 he just couldn't get on the field and some suspect he wasn't fully recovered. Then granted that extra year he decided to go to Nebraska where at a rough school for receivers (only 2800 yards thrown by the starter...) he put up 455 yards on just 34 catches and 5 TDs. Nothing crazy eye popping, but this dude has been hardened by his terrible injury timing, has fought back and is an incredible athlete.

With him and Cornelius in the house beyond Heath and Hardman...I truly do think if we get through a week or two healthy in PS Gute is going to move a WR

I saw that transaction and was a bit surprised, given the already crowded WR room. However, after deep diving on him, I agree with you, this kid has potential. Love his size and speed combination. His wingspan is also pretty massive. The catch he made at a 49'er practice was impressive. These guys were excited about him. Kind of surprised he was released already by the 9'ers, they are thin at WR.

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[tynimiller]

I saw that transaction and was a bit surprised, given the already crowded WR room. However, after deep diving on him, I agree with you, this kid has potential. Love his size and speed combination. His wingspan is also pretty massive. The catch he made at a 49'er practice was impressive. These guys were excited about him. Kind of surprised he was released already by the 9'ers, they are thin at WR.

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LOL He was replaced long time ago by Watson and then honestly Hartman/Golden as well....

 

[Voyageur]

I wish I could get hyped on guys coming on board that nobody wanted it's very rare. I have to withhold any dances around a pinata until after I see them actually in game action. That's when the rubber meets the road. Preseason gives some indication of what they've got but what really matters is how they see the game and react in their capacity on the field when it's all real, not controlled.

The majority of guys they're bringing in is to see if they might be an addition who can help special teams, or potential practice squad personnel at best. Most are just camp fodder.

 

[tynimiller]

I wish I could get hyped on guys coming on board that nobody wanted it's very rare. I have to withhold any dances around a pinata until after I see them actually in game action. That's when the rubber meets the road. Preseason gives some indication of what they've got but what really matters is how they see the game and react in their capacity on the field when it's all real, not controlled.

The majority of guys they're bringing in is to see if they might be an addition who can help special teams, or potential practice squad personnel at best. Most are just camp fodder.

Everything is relative. I can get pumped about depth signings because I think too much like a GM where you gotta take your PS and your last man up on the 53 as serious as the top shelf guys. With the plethora of WRs we have, Watson coming back and both he and Doubs in contract years I'd LOVE a depth guy to showcase a readiness to be that 5th or 4th guy in 2026 so as to allow us to maybe move a guy now rather than later.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL He was replaced long time ago by Watson and then honestly Hartman/Golden as well....

I knew that my MVS reference would catch your eye!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wish I could get hyped on guys coming on board that nobody wanted it's very rare. I have to withhold any dances around a pinata until after I see them actually in game action. That's when the rubber meets the road. Preseason gives some indication of what they've got but what really matters is how they see the game and react in their capacity on the field when it's all real, not controlled.

The majority of guys they're bringing in is to see if they might be an addition who can help special teams, or potential practice squad personnel at best. Most are just camp fodder.

True, but as @tynimiller stated, it is more about Depth and having a solid 69-70 player roster come September. So yes, some of these guys may end up being just camp bodies, but some of them may really factor into the Packers 2025 season and/or beyond.

I guess it is kind of like the draft for me. Some of these FA signings are of guys with little or no experience in the NFL, but they have made it into the conversation of being a potential NFL player. More importantly, as a Packer fan, they are now guys I want to know everything about and see excel.

 

[tynimiller]

I knew that my MVS reference would catch your eye!

I'll argue he was incredible value and return on investment far more than folks appreciate - but you always understood that more than most.

 

[tynimiller]

True, but as @tynimiller stated, it is more about Depth and having a solid 69-70 player roster come September. So yes, some of these guys may end up being just camp bodies, but some of them may really factor into the Packers 2025 season and/or beyond.

I guess it is kind of like the draft for me. Some of these FA signings are of guys with little or no experience in the NFL, but they have made it into the conversation of being a potential NFL player. More importantly, as a Packer fan, they are now guys I want to know everything about and see excel.

Yup! Whose the next Patrick Taylor or Sam Shields, Yosh Nijman, or Rasul Douglas type...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'll argue he was incredible value and return on investment far more than folks appreciate - but you always understood that more than most.

For a 5th round investment, he was a solid pick for sure. That said, I was fine that the Packers let him walk after 4 years, especially when I heard that the Chiefs were paying him $30M for 3 years. A deal they cut short after the 2nd year, due to what I would think was a poor return on their investment.

I have always loved the tall receivers, big body, even better. Might be my infatuation with Megatron when he was in the league. While I hated that he was a Lion, he was always so much fun to watch and so damn talented.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup! Whose the next Patrick Taylor or Sam Shields, Yosh Nijman, or Rasul Douglas type...

Beats the "Will this 3rd round pick work out?" sweepstakes! Hopefully Rhyan and Kraft have finally broken that curse.

Really signing a lot of these free agents is much like rounds 4-7 of the draft. While they may not work out for one team, they may actually fit in elsewhere. I am guessing that Gute has a long list of active players, that he would like to have on the team. When he sees one of them released, if he thinks that player will improve the roster, at a reasonable cost, he goes after him. This is a good GM, one that is working his roster from top to bottom, as well as keeping an eye on the other 31 rosters.