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[Pokerbrat2000]

Micah Parsons is a Packer!

Jaden Reed might have to give up #11...

Packers announced that Micah's jersey will just read "$$"

 

[Voyageur]

Packers announced that Micah's jersey will just read "$$"

If the Packers don't get at least to the NFC Championship game the Parsons deal is a flop. We are now in a win now situation because we're going to lose a lot of guys to free agency at the end of this season and there's no way money will be there for extensions or new contracts.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed for the best but I'm not certain that's a given.

Now I need to see what they actually did give up in terms of trade capital down the road. It will also be situation that needs consideration.

Anyhow, let's hope this is the year to win it all.

 

[OldSchool101]

If the Packers don't get at least to the NFC Championship game the Parsons deal is a flop. We are now in a win now situation because we're going to lose a lot of guys to free agency at the end of this season and there's no way money will be there for extensions or new contracts.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed for the best but I'm not certain that's a given.

Now I need to see what they actually did give up in terms of trade capital down the road. It will also be situation that needs consideration.

Anyhow, let's hope this is the year to win it all.

Imo it’ll be tight $ wise. I’m not an expert but I understand most of it.
Its doable. It absolutely means you lost Kenny and you’re adding about $24Mil yearly to the bottom line. That’s his current deal. Plus it’s his difference minus Clark (ironically)So yes ultimately you’re getting 24Mil less to spend at least until a contract out and that starts today.
Yet GB had $31Mil this season so it’s really not as crazy as we might think. Brian wisely held back his wallet. We’ve been floating in the Top10-12 best cap scenario this and next seasons. We still have $7Mil reserve money and we can push $ around on a signing bonus plus a couple of $5Mil Voids etc.
We actually don’t need to though.. But we will imo. He had to dump a larger contract to make it work. I’m sorry to see it was Kenny. I really like him.

 

[milani]

This could be a serious situation for him. If it doesn't heal through inactivity, and it probably won't, surgery will put him out of action for a long time. Playing with it can be very painful and worsen the situation. He's going to be out for a while and should be. I think they should do the surgery and get it over and done.

Good reason why Gute loads up on receivers. If it was not Reed it would be someone else. Our guys just get beat up. No more Donald Drivers on the roster.

 

[milani]

If the Packers don't get at least to the NFC Championship game the Parsons deal is a flop. We are now in a win now situation because we're going to lose a lot of guys to free agency at the end of this season and there's no way money will be there for extensions or new contracts.

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed for the best but I'm not certain that's a given.

Now I need to see what they actually did give up in terms of trade capital down the road. It will also be situation that needs consideration.

Anyhow, let's hope this is the year to win it all.

Still, very hard to get there. But it seems we have upped the ante.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Being able to play and being able to contribute significantly can be two different things all together. Of course, he chose to play if they said it probably wouldn't cause any more significant damage. But if you think he's going to be at 100% you're sadly mistaken.

Something about this just sounds odd. Everything I can find avout Jones fractures says that without treatment, Jones fractures simply do not heal - and in fact, have a roughly 1 in 3 chance of becoming a permanent injury, and even a deformity on the foot. And even the most minimal treatment consists of keeping the player's weight off of the fracture, and supporting the foot with a walking boot for many weeks - usually at least 8 - 10, apparently. Shorter terms (under 10 weeks) are linked to greater chance of reinjury and permanent impairment.

Yet Reed was walking without the boot less than a week after the injury, and now is practicing just three weeks afterward. Making sharp cuts on the edge of that foot would be just the textbook definition of what not to do with a Jones fracture. If he says it still hurts, then it's not healed.

Obviously the Packers' doctors know more about this than I do, because they all studied doctor-stuff in doctors' school and I didn't. And I know they seem to typically be cautious about injuries. But I sure am curious to know where the disconnect is. I have this bad feeling that come week 3 or 4, they're going to announce this didn't work out, and he's out until December.

The results of this study suggest that a quickened timeline to recovery after Jones fracture injuries to NFL players can lead to poorer outcomes. There was a statistically significant greater decrease in post-injury performance for NFL players returning to play in less than 10 weeks after Jones fracture surgery as compared to those players returning in greater than 10 weeks. Those players returning in less than 10 weeks after surgery were also more likely to require a second jones fracture surgery. This suggests that although players are frequently pressured to return to play as quickly as possible after these injuries, it may be more advantageous in terms of post-injury performance and career longevity to extend the timeline for recovery.

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Edit: I don't want to sound like a Cassandra, but while discussing this issue in another thread, I did some more research. And I'll paste it here, for your consideration...

...from what I've learned about Jones fractures, I'm highly skeptical about his availaibility this year, even by mid-season. From what I've read, if a Jones fracture (especially in a WR or RB) is not properly and very cautiously managed right from the beginning, it can quite possibly be a career-ending injury. There simply is no shortcut for a Jones injury.

In this study, it was found that 50% of players who suffered a Jones fracture did not fully heal for at least 2 years after their return to the field, and there was a significantly greater likelihood of suffering another Jones fracture within a short time of returning - and most of those players had the steel pin or screws implanted, in order to strengtyhen the fracture zone. This appears to be exacerbated by every high-level athlete's inherent emphasis on "getting back into the game" as quickly as possible.

I'm really worried about Reed. From what I've found, putting him back into practice running routes within 3 weeks of diagnosis, and especially putting him into a real-time game situation a month later, is (as near as my research takes me) appears to be literally unprecedented.

Jones Fractures Identified at the National Football League Scouting Combine: Assessment of Prognostic Factors, Computed Tomography Findings, and Initial Career Performance - PMC

Jones fractures result in subsequent dysfunction and remain an issue for athletes. To (1) describe the epidemiology, treatment, and impact of Jones fractures identified at the National Football League (NFL) Scouting Combine on players’ early careers ...

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[Voyageur]

Something about this just sounds odd. Everything I can find avout Jones fractures says that without treatment, Jones fractures simply do not heal - and in fact, have a roughly 1 in 3 chance of becoming a permanent injury, and even a deformity on the foot. And even the most minimal treatment consists of keeping the player's weight off of the fracture, and supporting the foot with a walking boot for many weeks - usually at least 8 - 10, apparently. Shorter terms (under 10 weeks) are linked to greater chance of reinjury and permanent impairment.

Yet Reed was walking without the boot less than a week after the injury, and now is practicing just three weeks afterward. Making sharp cuts on the edge of that foot would be just the textbook definition of what not to do with a Jones fracture. If he says it still hurts, then it's not healed.

Obviously the Packers' doctors know more about this than I do, because they all studied doctor-stuff in doctors' school and I didn't. And I know they seem to typically be cautious about injuries. But I sure am curious to know where the disconnect is. I have this bad feeling that come week 3 or 4, they're going to announce this didn't work out, and he's out until December.

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Edit: I don't want to sound like a Cassandra, but while discussing this issue in another thread, I did some more research. And I'll paste it here, for your consideration...

The decision to play him isn't wise. But right now, not much that I consider wise is being done by Gute or LeFleur for that matter. They seem bent on going all out for the gold ring this season or face a decline and being fired down the road for inept decision making. This so much smacks of the same stupidity that I've seen with the Wisconsin football program and where they're headed because of decision making that's off the rails.

Yet, the "trade Doubs" crowd keeps chirping away. What we gave away, in exchange for Parsons was a King's ransom in draft picks, the anchor in the center of our defensive line, and cap room that would have allowed the Packers to build themselves into a better team next season with the capital they needed to do it. One look at the list of free agents we face at the end of this season because there won't be money for them should make you start to sweat. We could end up being another team at the bottom of the barrel.

 

[milani]

The decision to play him isn't wise. But right now, not much that I consider wise is being done by Gute or LeFleur for that matter. They seem bent on going all out for the gold ring this season or face a decline and being fired down the road for inept decision making. This so much smacks of the same stupidity that I've seen with the Wisconsin football program and where they're headed because of decision making that's off the rails.

Yet, the "trade Doubs" crowd keeps chirping away. What we gave away, in exchange for Parsons was a King's ransom in draft picks, the anchor in the center of our defensive line, and cap room that would have allowed the Packers to build themselves into a better team next season with the capital they needed to do it. One look at the list of free agents we face at the end of this season because there won't be money for them should make you start to sweat. We could end up being another team at the bottom of the barrel.

Can always use Melton on offense again. He tends to stay healthy.

 

[Voyageur]

Can always use Melton on offense again. He tends to stay healthy.

It's beginning to look like keeping him was a wise decision.

 

[Thirteen Below]

The decision to play him isn't wise. But right now, not much that I consider wise is being done by Gute or LeFleur for that matter. They seem bent on going all out for the gold ring this season or face a decline and being fired down the road for inept decision making. This so much smacks of the same stupidity that I've seen with the Wisconsin football program and where they're headed because of decision making that's off the rails.

Yet, the "trade Doubs" crowd keeps chirping away. What we gave away, in exchange for Parsons was a King's ransom in draft picks, the anchor in the center of our defensive line, and cap room that would have allowed the Packers to build themselves into a better team next season with the capital they needed to do it. One look at the list of free agents we face at the end of this season because there won't be money for them should make you start to sweat. We could end up being another team at the bottom of the barrel.

I rarely disagree with you; I can easily count on one hand the number of times I think you've been flat-out wrong about something. Possibly even one finger.

But I sure hope you're wrong about this one.

Mind you... I can't argue with that take.... I just hope that somehow you're wrong.

As for Reed, the way this article is worded suggests that doctors are recommending that he take the time to let it heal, but that he is ignoring that advice. If that's true, it's troubling on two levels - first of all, it's problematic that he's apparently refusing to take medical advice on a potentially serious (even career-threatening) injury, and second, that the team is allowing him to do so.

Who's running this circus, anyway?

Edit: and while I surf the net for more articles on this, almost every one I find says the same thing... it's his decision, he hopes he can work through it, he's just going to press forward and see how it works out.

Meanwhile, when Matt Lafleur was asked whether this was a good idea, he replied "I hope so."

Wow. Just... wow.

Huge Jayden Reed Injury News Could Lead to Packers Shakeup

The Green Bay Packers have turned the page on training camp, and all focus is on the regular season. They have the Detroit Lions coming into town for an NFC Nor

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[Voyageur]

I rarely disagree with you; I can easily count on one hand the number of times I think you've been flat-out wrong about something. Possibly even one finger.

But I sure hope you're wrong about this one.

Mind you... I can't argue with that take.... I just hope that somehow you're wrong.

As for Reed, the way this article is worded suggests that doctors are recommending that he take the time to let it heal, but that he is ignoring that advice. If that's true, it's troubling on two levels - first of all, it's problematic that he's apparently refusing to take medical advice on a potentially serious (even career-threatening) injury, and second, that the team is allowing him to do so.

Who's running this circus, anyway?

Huge Jayden Reed Injury News Could Lead to Packers Shakeup

The Green Bay Packers have turned the page on training camp, and all focus is on the regular season. They have the Detroit Lions coming into town for an NFC Nor

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I hope I'm wrong too. It's a worst-case scenario that I describe but if we don't acknowledge the possibility and it happens it's devastating.

On Reed. You and I have both been around the block. We know that a player wants to play no matter what. Pain is something you live with constantly playing football. The game itself is designed to inflict pain through physical contact. The player who can handle it better and make the other guy wince, wins. Doctors can only give advice. Players and coaches make the decisions. In the majority of cases, the people on the sideline decide what's best for the team and player. This is one of the reasons they are so careful in how they utilize players during the preseason. They want to keep them from starting the season injured.

That changes as soon as the games count. The coaches know the risk Reed is running. They also know that he knows it. In most cases, players will do anything they can to continue playing. I know I did, despite dislocated elbows, broken fingers, a dislocated shoulder, and broken ribs. The pain was intense from some of it at times but it's this "macho thing" inside that says you can't let pain win. But in my case, none of the injuries I played with were really career threatening because I did not have a career, just love of the game. In Reed's case, it's love of the game and a nice paycheck that will end after next year with no next contract with big bucks to retire in style.

LeFleur and Gute are kind of on the bubble. Neither are Policy's boys. The top man might feel that winning but not getting the brass ring isn't enough. We've seen that happen in Green Bay, now is no different. That would account for the rush to get a top LB like Parsons who can be a game changer, and even willing to let Reed give it a go no matter how much it hurts him down the road because in reality, he is replaceable.

Injuries like this are the perfect storm in football I'm afraid. I've seen enough of them to know that way too many situations end tragically for the player in the long run. Then there's the fact that later on, you've put too much stock in what he can do and when he's suddenly taken out of the picture you don't have anyone who can step up and do the job. But this too is just conjecture. I hope it all works out well. Just call me "Doubting Thomas."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What we gave away, in exchange for Parsons was a King's ransom in draft picks, the anchor in the center of our defensive line, and cap room that would have allowed the Packers to build themselves into a better team next season with the capital they needed to do it. One look at the list of free agents we face at the end of this season because there won't be money for them should make you start to sweat. We could end up being another team at the bottom of the barrel.

Yup and the only thing that will "justify" the trade for Parsons, is a Lombardi. The non-connected Packer fans see this as a HUGE trade in the plus column for the Packers. I get it, but most of those people probably are sitting on a ton of credit card debt, while their broken down Lamborghini sits in the driveway.

 

[gopkrs]

Yup and the only thing that will "justify" the trade for Parsons, is a Lombardi. The non-connected Packer fans see this as a HUGE trade in the plus column for the Packers. I get it, but most of those people probably are sitting on a ton of credit card debt, while their broken down Lamborghini sits in the driveway.

I really don't look at it that way. It's still very much a team sport and one pass rusher doesn't win the Superbowl. Unless you are either from the rams or denver. I like it anyway. Just shore up the middle some.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just shore up the middle some.

With what money?

That's my point. I agree with you. Besides maybe a QB, one great player isn't enough to win a SB. Even when we had a great QB. Favre and Rodgers, we only won 2 SB's, but I would say that was still better than none.

Tying up the amount of money the Packers just did into Parsons, while also losing a quality player and 2 first round picks, that will not have a positive impact on the team. Those 4 things, each in their own way, will need to be offset by the addition of Parsons. Fans won't see or feel that impact just yet, all they will see is Parsons improving the defense. The seasons that follow will tell all of us, if this move was a good one or a bad one. Because no doubt, it is a BIG one.

 

[OldSchool101]

Just an interesting perspective on jones fractures. 80%+ of non-surgical treatments completely healed in the NFL in studies they’ve done. This was from medical journals over 20+ years ago. I’d argue medicine and recovery times for foot injuries are slightly better in 2025 than 1980’s-2002. It’s FAR more likely (85%+) that a player FULLY recovers than not.
Now this is no way shape or form to imply some don’t have complications or take longer than a customary couple months or that we should just discount player injuries or anything if that sort. However those are absolutely not the normal and modern technology mixed with early diagnosis has improved for foot injuries since 1982, 1992, 2002. Odds back in the 1990’s with surgery were slightly better. Full recovery 89%/94%
I’m just the messenger! Don’t throw anything please!

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[DoURant]

Yup and the only thing that will "justify" the trade for Parsons, is a Lombardi. The non-connected Packer fans see this as a HUGE trade in the plus column for the Packers. I get it, but most of those people probably are sitting on a ton of credit card debt, while their broken down Lamborghini sits in the driveway.

Not sure what you mean by non-connected Packers fan, but I love the trade, AND I own everything I have, (cars, house) and also no credit card debt, nor a broken down Lamborghiniin the driveway...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure what you mean by non-connected Packers fan, but I love the trade, AND I own everything I have, (cars, house) and also no credit card debt, nor a broken down Lamborghiniin the driveway...

Talking more about some of the comments I have been reading by less informed Packer fans online. They only see the player that the Packers just landed and have no understanding of the salary cap.

 

[Voyageur]

Talking more about some of the comments I have been reading by less informed Packer fans online. They only see the player that the Packers just landed and have no understanding of the salary cap.

Salary cap nor team chemistry.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Salary cap nor team chemistry.

Yup

Nor injuries or the sometimes seen "I made bank, I can coast now".

In a perfect world this is how the trade works out for the Packers:

- Parsons becomes a great teammate and locker room guy, sparking chemistry with his own teammates and attracting other top Free Agents to want to play in GB.

- Parsons suffers no major injuries.

- Parsons level of play continues to rise and he is a Pro Bowler every season.

- Parsons Signs a 2nd contract, that is team friendly with the Packers and retires a HOF and Packer.

- Ball and Gute work their cap magic and make Parsons cap hit painless.

- Cowboys get a 2026 and 2027 32nd pick and squander both away.

 

[Voyageur]

Parsons will walk from Green Bay after 3-years, take the guaranteed money and hooks up with someone else on a deal that's similar to this one. He's a hired gun just like Mack has been. They smell money and that's their allegiance.

He'll only be 29 when the 3-years are up and still considered in his prime. He's the big winner in the money game.

 

[gopkrs]

Parsons will walk from Green Bay after 3-years, take the guaranteed money and hooks up with someone else on a deal that's similar to this one. He's a hired gun just like Mack has been. They smell money and that's their allegiance.

He'll only be 29 when the 3-years are up and still considered in his prime. He's the big winner in the money game.

I'm not saying you are right... but would that be bad for us?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With Kenny C being shipped to Dallas in the Parsons trade, what is the plan at DT to replace him? Honestly, before the trade, I thought that CB and DT were our 2 weak spots in the defense. Clark makes that situation even worse. I know they can shuffle DE's in but I'm looking at a DT depth chart of Wyatt, Wooden, Brooks, Brinson and Stackhouse. That isn't going to scare many opponents.

Casual glimpse of current DT Free Agents has former Packer Mike Pennell at #6, that doesn't get me too excited about this list. Wilkins is/was a stud, but injuries have crushed his career. His most recent injury (looking at you Jaylen Reed) is a Jones fracture in his foot. He went on IR after week 5 of last year to have surgery on it and wasn't active all summer.

Best Defensive Line Free Agents, 2025:​

• Christian Wilkins
• DeShawn Williams
• Linval Joseph
• Quinton Jefferson
• Neville Gallimore
• Mike Pennel
• Jeremiah Ledbetter
• Bruce Hector
• Eric Banks
• Carl Davis
• Khalil Davis
• William Gholston
• Maurice Hurst
• Armon Watts
• Angelo Blackson
• Montravius Adams
• Cameron Young
• Kyle Peko
• Phidarian Mathis
• Morgan Fox
• Keondre Coburn

 

[tynimiller]

Parsons will walk from Green Bay after 3-years, take the guaranteed money and hooks up with someone else on a deal that's similar to this one. He's a hired gun just like Mack has been. They smell money and that's their allegiance.

He'll only be 29 when the 3-years are up and still considered in his prime. He's the big winner in the money game.

The three year structure is GOLD FOR GREEN BAY. I cannot believe how easy it is to part ways with him IF we want after three or could restructure/extend and be good too….stunned by the structure being so GB friendly

 

[milani]

Parsons will walk from Green Bay after 3-years, take the guaranteed money and hooks up with someone else on a deal that's similar to this one. He's a hired gun just like Mack has been. They smell money and that's their allegiance.

He'll only be 29 when the 3-years are up and still considered in his prime. He's the big winner in the money game.

And I hope he walks away with more than just money.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The three year structure is GOLD FOR GREEN BAY. I cannot believe how easy it is to part ways with him IF we want after three or could restructure/extend and be good too….stunned by the structure being so GB friendly

I'm still holding my breath on those numbers that I posted from Spotrac. They just seem too low to be true. Even all of his incentives are way more than reasonable and low.

- $250K workout bonus

- Per Game Active Bonus: $11,764 ($200K max)

- Pro Bowl and All Pro Bonus: $250K