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Kind of how I felt. Especially, with how the night was going and most of the top secondary guys still on the board.

The more I read about Morgan though, the more I understand the pick. He fits the Packer OL profile to a tee. Size, versatility and experience. While I prefer him over Mims or Guyten, I would have been happier with Barton or just seeing Gute trade out of the 1st. Of course, had he traded out, none of us would have known it was do that or select Morgan.

Lots of good players available in round 2, Gute got the OL guy he probably wanted before the draft started.
Good points. Barton was a popular pick, but he projects at G or C, not T. And Morgan is a very versatile guy and has 3 full seasons at LT with Arizona.

I think he might have been there at #41, giving Gluten an opportunity to trade back. I'm thinking he tried that and didn't get any takers. Or, Morgan was his guy all along, and that's fine.

As for the secondary, DeJean has slipped out of round 1. He may yet be a day two pickup for the Packers, or LB Edgerrin Cooper. I expect another OL, a RB or two, and the rest of the picks on defense.
 

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Bill Bellichik was ecstatic on Morgan. I don’t like BB always and such but imma hold his opinion quite high.


Also I gotta say something…I’ve heard many say that a guy or these guys fell quite a bit…that is a very very over simplistic way of viewing the draft.

Guys don’t drop when you have an insanely atypical amount of QBs go in the top 12…or when you have three absolutely locks at WR to not make it far and a last two decades type TE prospect available.

Team need and runs dictate a lot of the flow and where guys drop.

A more specific example of something I cannot stand personally that I’m hearing….Picking Morgan doesn’t mean they didn’t like Barton…no, it could be they had them very similar but they see more in Morgan either overall or in the specific plan they think fits the best 5 approach.
And Barton and Morgan are different players. Morgan is an experienced, 3 year player at LT. He can also very likely play any T or G position on the line, and that versatility is valued in GB.

Barton projects as a G/C. While the Packers will still take a G or G/C, that wasn't as important as T.

And yeah, when there are 10 plus guys at QB and WR (and one TE) who are gonna go in the top 15, other guys move back. That has more to do with numbers than talent.

One surprise was DeJean not being selected. As always, the GMs know a lot more than the fans. Seems DeJean is not fully recovered from a broken leg. Even so, he might be a good pick up if he's there at #41, although I'd rather see LB Edgerrin Cooper taken is he's there. That said, it won't be either.......
 

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Yeah, I get the pick. I just think they could have easily gotten him in the 2nd round. They could have had Wiggins, which is the guy I wanted them to take. What do I know though. Again, I'm just a dude sitting on a lazy boy in Appleton.
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Agreed Krabs. Morgan is maybe there at #41. But Gluten had his eyes on him and wasn't going to risk losing him, and there weren';t any better choices IMO. He could have traded back and maybe still been able to get Morgan. But GMs know a lot more about the fine details of these guys than we do.
 

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I'm not really that high on DeJean. I know his RAS score is in the 9's, but I think there are better players.
Yeah I'm nor crazy about guys that play two positions, in this case, slot DB and S.
 

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As for the secondary, DeJean has slipped out of round 1. He may yet be a day two pickup for the Packers, or LB Edgerrin Cooper. I expect another OL, a RB or two, and the rest of the picks on defense.

I loved how round 1 went and how a lot of defensive guys that were predicted to go first round, will still be waiting today to hear their name called. With 4 picks tonight (slated to be in the next 59 picks), Gute should have a decent chance to improve the defense.
 

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I loved how round 1 went and how a lot of defensive guys that were predicted to go first round, will still be waiting today to hear their name called. With 4 picks tonight (slated to be in the next 59 picks), Gute should have a decent chance to improve the defense.
Agree. Gluten got his guy at T, and while the top corners are off the board, there is plenty of talent left to fill needs and/or build depth. It should be an interesting day two in the draft.
 

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Imagine the minds blown if Gute drafts DeJean with #25 and then today trades both his 2nd rounders to move up to take Morgan.
 

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I did actually just hear that the Cowboys traded down thinking they could get Morgan. It's rumor mill talk, but maybe the Packers know what they are doing. :confused:
 

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Good points. Barton was a popular pick, but he projects at G or C, not T. And Morgan is a very versatile guy and has 3 full seasons at LT with Arizona.

I think he might have been there at #41, giving Gluten an opportunity to trade back. I'm thinking he tried that and didn't get any takers. Or, Morgan was his guy all along, and that's fine.

As for the secondary, DeJean has slipped out of round 1. He may yet be a day two pickup for the Packers, or LB Edgerrin Cooper. I expect another OL, a RB or two, and the rest of the picks on defense.
Or, maybe Tampa orDallas would've picked Morgan, instead of Barton or Guyton.
 

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I did actually just hear that the Cowboys traded down thinking they could get Morgan. It's rumor mill talk, but maybe the Packers know what they are doing. :confused:
It would be interesting to know how much info each team has on the others, when it comes to draft picks. I can say this with 100% certainty, Gute doesn't pick Morgan at #25, if he is 100% sure that he will still be there at #41. I 100% doubt that he had those kinds of sureties, he obviously got a guy he wanted.
 
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And Barton and Morgan are different players. Morgan is an experienced, 3 year player at LT. He can also very likely play any T or G position on the line, and that versatility is valued in GB.

Barton projects as a G/C. While the Packers will still take a G or G/C, that wasn't as important as T.

And yeah, when there are 10 plus guys at QB and WR (and one TE) who are gonna go in the top 15, other guys move back. That has more to do with numbers than talent.

One surprise was DeJean not being selected. As always, the GMs know a lot more than the fans. Seems DeJean is not fully recovered from a broken leg. Even so, he might be a good pick up if he's there at #41, although I'd rather see LB Edgerrin Cooper taken is he's there. That said, it won't be either.......
He’s a safety prospect. Safeties don’t go high and rarely first round unless a Hamilton type prospect or a team is in love
 

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It would be interesting to know how much info each team has on the others, when it comes to draft picks. I can say this with 100% certainty, Gute doesn't pick Morgan at #25, if he is 100% sure that he will still be there at #41. I 100% doubt that he had those kinds of sureties, he obviously got a guy he wanted.
He also could've been just flat out the highest rated player on their board. If I remember correctly, the Packers did not use all of their allotted time on the clock before making the pick.
 

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He also could've been just flat out the highest rated player on their board. If I remember correctly, the Packers did not use all of their allotted time on the clock before making the pick.
Yeah, they made the pick fairly quick.
 

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He also could've been just flat out the highest rated player on their board. If I remember correctly, the Packers did not use all of their allotted time on the clock before making the pick.
I noticed that too. Morgan was the guy they wanted, he was there, they weren't waiting for a trade offer, Gute got it done.

I know I joked about Morgan saying that he "was a 5th round prospect for me", but I think Gute really got the guy he wanted and wasn't going to risk losing him by gambling on him dropping to #41. I am also confident that Gute will probably grab a guy at #41 (if he keeps that pick) that he also covets. With all the offensive players that went in the 1st round, it wouldn't surprise me if Gute gets a guy at #41 that he was considering putting a 1st round grade on.
 

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He also could've been just flat out the highest rated player on their board. If I remember correctly, the Packers did not use all of their allotted time on the clock before making the pick.
Yeah looking at Morgan versus Mims, Morgan had 37 starts at LT and Mims had 7. Barton projected as a G and Guyton could only play LT. Morgan was Gluten's guy and he took him. Not ****, not risky, just a solid pick.
 

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Agreed Krabs. Morgan is maybe there at #41. But Gluten had his eyes on him and wasn't going to risk losing him, and there weren';t any better choices IMO. He could have traded back and maybe still been able to get Morgan. But GMs know a lot more about the fine details of these guys than we do.
He didn't think so. He said they had offers to trade down, but weren't interested. Morgan was the guy he wanted at 25, and that was that, because he didn't think he'd last.
 

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He didn't think so. He said they had offers to trade down, but weren't interested. Morgan was the guy he wanted at 25, and that was that, because he didn't think he'd last.
I think that's right. And Barton and Guyton went right after Morgan. Looking at Morgan and his history, he was the best O linemen when Gluten picked. Good call.
 

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I have only been in the Amish contest for a few years, but it sure seems to me that E. Cooper is the highest correct pick I have seen. It seems half of the people in the if you were the GM had him at 41 also.
 

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I have only been in the Amish contest for a few years, but it sure seems to me that E. Cooper is the highest correct pick I have seen. It seems half of the people in the if you were the GM had him at 41 also.
A combination of lemmings and perfect fit. I liked the guy from the first day I watched film on him. Then when I found out the Packers had him in early for one of their top 30, I was sold. Honestly, I didn't think he would last until the 45th pick, glad I was wrong. I think we just drafted a guy that will be the QB of the defense eventually, green dot and all. His football IQ is high. I think all he needs is some bulking up in the weight room and to learn to keep his pad level lower (true story).
 

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I think as a group of draftniks that we hit positions right, but missed out on players. The teams hat pissed me off because they bailed the draft were Philadelphia and the Lions. Both of those teams got great value in my estimation. The Vikings and Falcons made me chuckle.
I also like Baltimore’s draft.
 

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A combination of lemmings and perfect fit. I liked the guy from the first day I watched film on him. Then when I found out the Packers had him in early for one of their top 30, I was sold. Honestly, I didn't think he would last until the 45th pick, glad I was wrong. I think we just drafted a guy that will be the QB of the defense eventually, green dot and all. His football IQ is high. I think all he needs is some bulking up in the weight room and to learn to keep his pad level lower (true story).
Well that D needs someone who can wear the green dot, the QB of the defense. I've heard a lot about Cooper's athleticism, and love the pick and that by trading back, Gluten still got him and more picks, maximizing the value of getting that pick from the Jets.

Who held that position last year? I think Walker tried and wasn't very good. It was probably Campbell.

Does it have to be a LB? That makes the most sense. Also, how does the green dot guy differ from the "star" position. Thanks Poker.
 

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A combination of lemmings and perfect fit. I liked the guy from the first day I watched film on him. Then when I found out the Packers had him in early for one of their top 30, I was sold. Honestly, I didn't think he would last until the 45th pick, glad I was wrong. I think we just drafted a guy that will be the QB of the defense eventually, green dot and all. His football IQ is high. I think all he needs is some bulking up in the weight room and to learn to keep his pad level lower (true story).
Lemmings..... Lol. There is a lot of truth in that. Certain prospects achieve forum momentum and it becomes almost a consensus in here that he's the pick. When our consensus misses, it can create a snowball effect where a lot of our entries get dorked up really quickly.
 

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Well that D needs someone who can wear the green dot, the QB of the defense. I've heard a lot about Cooper's athleticism, and love the pick and that by trading back, Gluten still got him and more picks, maximizing the value of getting that pick from the Jets.

Who held that position last year? I think Walker tried and wasn't very good. It was probably Campbell.

Does it have to be a LB? That makes the most sense. Also, how does the green dot guy differ from the "star" position. Thanks Poker.
The green dot signifies to the ref who is wearing the one way radio (player can only hear what coach is saying, he can't talk back). Any player can wear the radio, but only 1 can be on the field at a time. Offense is quite obvious, probably going to be the QB wearing it 99% of the time. Defense isn't as straight forward. More players are rotated in and out on defense, so the green dot can rotate in and out too. If there is a change on what player is wearing it, they have to tell the ref. Players that may wear it will have 2 helmets, one with and one without.

I think an ILB is usually the default player wearing it, but teams have had DB's wear it as well. I believe Xavier McKinney has worn it before for the Giants, so maybe he will wear it for the Packers?

The Star position, is simply a label. A player that has the responsibilities of both a weak side linebacker and a nickel back. With the proliferation of RPOs, screens, and read options, the star plays a key role in defending each, without having to swap between two or three different players.
 

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