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2023 Round 1 Pick #13:Lukas Van Ness Edge
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<blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 1091022" data-attributes="member: 6578"><p>So you think Enagbare is better value to the team?</p><p></p><p>LVN has been a better and more consistent presence than Enagbare for the last two years. I would argue LVN, especially from Week 12 on (once he was healthy and not playing hurt) he was our best edge defender out there not named Parsons (week 12 and 13).</p><p></p><p>Anyone that has the time I'd encourage some All22 and watch LVN solely especially In the Baltimore and Chicago WC games as it was clear from his snap count (47 both games) he was finally not on a pitch count (had 22 and 26 the games prior)...in those two games that the defense focused more on him than he'd likely ever experienced recently (Parsons out and Gary just playing average) LVN put together some amazing games. There were some plays crashed by him which were special. I remember a few times in the game thread I would point out plays he was causing by his motor at times, strength at times and quickness at times.</p><p></p><p>Parsons saw Double Teams 56.68% according to PFF state from early January (<a href="https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chip-and-double-team-rates-ranking-the-defensive-linemen-who-overcome-extra-attention" target="_blank">HERE</a>)...Gary saw it 37.56% and Enagbare 37.67%. Opposition double teamed LVN 45.64%</p><p>Chipped help seen by these guys Parsons - | Gary 19.95% | Enagbare 14.88% | LVN 13.42%</p><p>Triple Teams - Parsons 12.09% | Gary 4.40% | Enagbare 2.33% | LVN 8.05%</p><p></p><p>Oppositions knew/know how good LVN is and the threat to the offense he is, but fans just don't see it is all.</p><p></p><p>LVN has been immensely more value to the Packers when able to play in the edge room than anyone not named Micah this past year.</p><p></p><p>Incase some are wondering a few breakdowns of guys of the above rates...INCLUDES 4 OF THE TOP 5 SACK LEADERS 2025:</p><p></p><p><strong>Few notables that saw lower double rate and triple rate than LVN</strong></p><p>Aidan Hutchinson - Chipped 20.59% | Doubled 42.73% | Tripled 5.88% </p><p>Danielle Hunter - Chipped 20.53% | Doubled 44.97% | Tripled 6.98% </p><p>Travon Walker - Chipped 10.30% | Doubled 43.33% | Tripled 6.36%</p><p>Brian Burns - Chipped 14.35% | Doubled 33.55% | Tripled 1.99%</p><p>Joey Bosa - Chipped 15.72% | Doubled 33.96% | Tripled 4.4%</p><p>Nik Bonitto - Chipped 14.07% | Doubled 30.62% | Tripled 2.96%</p><p></p><p><strong>Few that saw more in all three or almost:</strong></p><p>Myles Garrett - Chipped 26.07% | Doubled 59.06% | Tripled 8.15% (.10% higher than LVN)</p><p>Micah Parsons - Shared above</p><p>Shemar Stewart - Chipped 5.06% | Doubled 51.12% | 8.99%</p><p>Maxx Crosby - Chipped 15.97% | Doubled 47.70% | 6.79%</p><p></p><p></p><p><em><strong>I understand most folks when judging edges, whether we admit it or not, just pull up sack productions or pressure productions and judge the player away</strong></em>. Fact is that can illuminate who the biggest impact guys are, but it greatly clouds the judgement of a lot of solid and well respected by DC players that absolutely are solid edges. You don't double or triple a JAG to the degree LVN sees regardless of any other factor.</p><p></p><p>Imagine a world where the NLF Draft is a secret and private thing - fans are only told the players added but not the pick. Perhaps than we'd have a much fairer way of judging a player's value to the team - because we all struggle to separate grading the player and not mixing in the value of what he "cost us in the draft".</p><p></p><p>Is it a risk to place the 5th year tag on him - absolutely. It's a lot of money given the premium position he is. HOWEVER, that's likely why I'd love to see them do the Love "5th year" tactic or how they kept Watson through a one year extension instead of 5th year option - distribute some of the hit to the 2025 cap, essentially put the same money in his pocket as a 5th year would have cost and from a player perspective it is better than if they did pick up 5th year...at least now more money a year sooner.</p><p></p><p>Has he been good enough for a clean 5th year option - personally I say no. Has he been good, absolutely. Which is why I'd try to do the one year extension instead of 5th year option thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tynimiller, post: 1091022, member: 6578"] So you think Enagbare is better value to the team? LVN has been a better and more consistent presence than Enagbare for the last two years. I would argue LVN, especially from Week 12 on (once he was healthy and not playing hurt) he was our best edge defender out there not named Parsons (week 12 and 13). Anyone that has the time I'd encourage some All22 and watch LVN solely especially In the Baltimore and Chicago WC games as it was clear from his snap count (47 both games) he was finally not on a pitch count (had 22 and 26 the games prior)...in those two games that the defense focused more on him than he'd likely ever experienced recently (Parsons out and Gary just playing average) LVN put together some amazing games. There were some plays crashed by him which were special. I remember a few times in the game thread I would point out plays he was causing by his motor at times, strength at times and quickness at times. Parsons saw Double Teams 56.68% according to PFF state from early January ([URL='https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-chip-and-double-team-rates-ranking-the-defensive-linemen-who-overcome-extra-attention']HERE[/URL])...Gary saw it 37.56% and Enagbare 37.67%. Opposition double teamed LVN 45.64% Chipped help seen by these guys Parsons - | Gary 19.95% | Enagbare 14.88% | LVN 13.42% Triple Teams - Parsons 12.09% | Gary 4.40% | Enagbare 2.33% | LVN 8.05% Oppositions knew/know how good LVN is and the threat to the offense he is, but fans just don't see it is all. LVN has been immensely more value to the Packers when able to play in the edge room than anyone not named Micah this past year. Incase some are wondering a few breakdowns of guys of the above rates...INCLUDES 4 OF THE TOP 5 SACK LEADERS 2025: [B]Few notables that saw lower double rate and triple rate than LVN[/B] Aidan Hutchinson - Chipped 20.59% | Doubled 42.73% | Tripled 5.88% Danielle Hunter - Chipped 20.53% | Doubled 44.97% | Tripled 6.98% Travon Walker - Chipped 10.30% | Doubled 43.33% | Tripled 6.36% Brian Burns - Chipped 14.35% | Doubled 33.55% | Tripled 1.99% Joey Bosa - Chipped 15.72% | Doubled 33.96% | Tripled 4.4% Nik Bonitto - Chipped 14.07% | Doubled 30.62% | Tripled 2.96% [B]Few that saw more in all three or almost:[/B] Myles Garrett - Chipped 26.07% | Doubled 59.06% | Tripled 8.15% (.10% higher than LVN) Micah Parsons - Shared above Shemar Stewart - Chipped 5.06% | Doubled 51.12% | 8.99% Maxx Crosby - Chipped 15.97% | Doubled 47.70% | 6.79% [I][B]I understand most folks when judging edges, whether we admit it or not, just pull up sack productions or pressure productions and judge the player away[/B][/I]. Fact is that can illuminate who the biggest impact guys are, but it greatly clouds the judgement of a lot of solid and well respected by DC players that absolutely are solid edges. You don't double or triple a JAG to the degree LVN sees regardless of any other factor. Imagine a world where the NLF Draft is a secret and private thing - fans are only told the players added but not the pick. Perhaps than we'd have a much fairer way of judging a player's value to the team - because we all struggle to separate grading the player and not mixing in the value of what he "cost us in the draft". Is it a risk to place the 5th year tag on him - absolutely. It's a lot of money given the premium position he is. HOWEVER, that's likely why I'd love to see them do the Love "5th year" tactic or how they kept Watson through a one year extension instead of 5th year option - distribute some of the hit to the 2025 cap, essentially put the same money in his pocket as a 5th year would have cost and from a player perspective it is better than if they did pick up 5th year...at least now more money a year sooner. Has he been good enough for a clean 5th year option - personally I say no. Has he been good, absolutely. Which is why I'd try to do the one year extension instead of 5th year option thing. [/QUOTE]
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